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+ 5 DHB: method to reduce PIP

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For all the DHB hounds out there:

It is inevitable, we will acquire a labs dhb that completely cripples us with PIP. I am a huge advocate of this compound. Dry gains during a bull, relentless pumps pre-comp or cut, minimal side effects if used in conjunction with other sustainable compounds… what’s not to like? Recently, I ordered 10 x 10ml vials of 200mg/ml DHB. I had never used this labs product before. Every now and again I’ll gamble a bit… sometimes I win… most times I lose. This one was a loser for sure. It came crashed like nothing I’ve ever seen before. I’ve ran enough of this compound to know that this was not brewed with even a hint of EO or guaiacol, which typically indicates the PIP will be intense. That being said, I went for it. I re-suspended it in the mct oil by heating it slowly in a heating pad, which worked well as always. I made it 2 doses (bi-weekly w/3 days bw) before it affected my training too much to continue. I gave 3 vials of it to a buddy of mine to see if he reacted the same, and he did. That brings us to a month ago when planning a pre-summer/summer/pre-contest(1 show a year) cycle. I was hell bent on adding dhb to this cycle. The 2 shows prior to this year I incorporated dhb I had the best physique by a lot. I was already a G into purchasing this cycle. I needed to cut cost somewhere. I always feel guilty spending money on AAS. I have 2 kids and although they are well taken care of and want/need for nothing… $1,000 is a lot of presents at Christmas & birthdays. I knew I had 6 vials of dhb in the closet so I thought wtf, might as well experiment a little. Here is what I did to reduce the PIP of DHB to almost none

1) Re- suspend 60ml(10/10ml vials 200mg/ml DHB) using a heat pad… low and slow

2) Filtered all 60ml compound through syringe filter .22 mic.
(Lost .5ml in process)

3) in sterile beaker I added USP grade sterile mct oil (39.5ml)

4) In same sterile beaker I added 2 10ml 200mg/ml mast. Enanthate.

5) Using sterile sealed vials fill the vials with the oil mixture(should have about 119ml + or -)

Look, I’m no brewer. I certainly don’t advocate mixing things together like this, especially if you can’t be completely sterile and/or don’t have atleast 10 years experience w/ AAS. This is not intended to be a recipe whatsoever. This was exactly what I said it was, an experiment. I did not expect this to change the severity of PIP at all. That being said, it absolutely worked. As of today I’m 3 weeks in dosing EOD, and although it does have a little PIP, it’s completely tolerable. If my math is correct I’m getting something close to 100mg/ml of dhb per dose. Again, I’m not recommending anyone do this. This was my experience with it, and it turned out okay, but it could have turned out bad too. Know the risks before experimenting, and be safe.

Makwa's picture

First rule of DHB is to buy 1 bottle to test for pip. IF GTG then you can drop a fortune and stock up on it.
EQ has always been great to cut with if there is some pip. If I have a pippy DHB the pip is usually minimal if it is half or less of the oil volume in the barrel. With 200mg DHB you don't need a lot it to run a cycle so there is plenty of room in the barrel to cut it with.

Tradesman34's picture

Wow great writeup, definitely risky to do unless you are really well versed in mixing compounds such as this. Great work and glad to hear that it came out OK for you.

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HanginLow's picture

I am giving you a +1 for troubleshooting and fixing gear brother.

I am just spitballing here as I am no cook but I wonder if like Primo, DHB only holds at 100mg/ml. Rimobolan, is pharma produced Primo and is at 100mg/ml without any addition solvents. To get DHB to 200mg/ml maybe they have to use solvents like what you listed. Or it could be the additional BB from the mast E plus the 50% dilution. Again purely spitballing. Good job on the fix.

Maybe a source could comment with some good info.

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Makwa's picture

A source who used be on here told me that dhb is the most difficult compound to get to dissolve. Guiacol is pretty much mandatory for it to stay in solution

BMCUinhell's picture

Wish more sources used it to be honest. I’m willing to bet there’s more guys who don’t have a reaction to it then do. I’m assuming that’s why they don’t, but maybe cost is a factor as well. I might see if I can acquire a bit before winter and re-stock with supplier who I know doesn’t use it and add it myself and see if it helps. I don’t know about you or anyone else, but when I order the shit in winter 75% of the time comes crashed.

HanginLow's picture

Makes sense, and the OP said he didn't taste/smell the G.

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BMCUinhell's picture

Like I said, I don’t know dick about the pharmacology of it all or what holds at what mg. I do know from experience and I’m not the first to say this that dhb and even higher mg/ml primo Ive gotten that has been pip free or pip tolerable has either been brewed with EO, guiaicol, or both. Doesn’t apply here obviously, but good info. Regardless. Take care.

BMCUinhell's picture

Yes sir. We used them for everything and anything back in the day. I think gears come a long way as far as being filtered, clean, and fairly worry free in regards to infection. Back then… damn was it like playing Russian rulet at times. Best of times worst of times.

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