posted Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:17
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People always get annoyed and angry if anyone suggests using deca only cycle,
but using deca and caber would it not be equivalent to or even better than those using test and propecia or propecia equivalent?
both deca and propecia destroy libido to some extent...atleast deca +caber and a trt dose of test (100mg/week) would be perfect for gains yet low sides
my plan for next year...
weeks 1-15 test enthanate 100mg/week
weeks 1-12 deca 400mg/week
caber + aromasin on hand..
then pct from week 17
sounds good?
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wow, you guys are all very supportive....
on other forums i read and one or two always get so angry if test is low or not added to any cycle....
but yeah, it looks like I will go with the above cycle...like suggested may up test to 200mg/week but only if libido problems, but hopefully caber will take care of it...
on my first cycle, been wildly experimenting...
weeks 1-5 350mg/week equipois only (i wont use it again, disturbs my sleep, anxiety and modest gains, small loss of libido)
weeks 5-10 400mg/week deca (good gains, deca dick)
weeks 10-15- 400mg/week test only - some hair loss, good gains, libido back
based on this, i concluded, deca works so good for me, test makes my mood feel good,
so future cycles will be low dose test, moderate deca and caber and aromasin....
i know it may seem haphazard cycling but for me it gave good idea as to what to do for my future cycles
Would like to see how this turns out. Good luck.
take that caber twice a week and you'll have no issues with deca dick
Thanks, will do
I ran my last blast at 600mg npp to about 250mg of Arl Pro- test 400.I ran caber twice a week and aromasin 2 to 3 times a week.I had a good run.I never got deca dick.I stopped the npp after 8 weeks because I was gaining too much weight.I gained about 28 lbs,putting me at 230 pounds and my body fat went up 5 to 6 %,putting me at about 19 to 20 %.I went back to work and didn't have time to work out for 6 weeks.I stayed on a good diet.This week was my first week back.When I weighed in Tuesday,I weighed 213 and my body fat is around 12 to 14 %.About 12 pounds heavier and a little leaner than when I started the blast.My next run I won't go over 500mg npp a week.I don't suggest you try it,but I feel it worked for me quite well.Everybody's different and you may not get the same results.
Very nice bro, love how your thinking outside the box so to speak. A lot of people are scared of deca dick hence the 2:1 test/deca protocol. I have been lucky to not have any issues in this department and like you I'm trt. I have done what you are planing before, ran my test at trt along with deca and caber and no deca dick for me. Start with your normal trt dose, run your caber and if you get issues with the old member pump up test to 200mg/ wk.
This is what I was hoping to hear. I've been brainstorming the same concept for a few weeks now. We see all the time everyone recommending test with any compound to supplement what is lost due to HPTA shutdown. But the thing is: the recommendations are always well above what is needed just to supplement natty levels.
I like the idea not only for focusing on the added hormones/compounds outside of test but I also like that there will be less competition at the receptor bc we're not flooding the system with test plus whatever other compounds.
I blast and cruse so for the most part my blast will consist of a high dose of tren, deca, mast, or what have you. Unless i do a test only run, then my test dose will go really high.
so, you pretty much stay at your trt dose regardless, unless it's a test only run?
you know... lately i've been really leaning towards trt doses thru out cycles to really focus on the other compound(s), deca and npp excluded.
as for your layout: i don't necessarily think it's a bad idea. however, i would modify it slightly. 200mg/wk of test, instead of 100. and take the caber twice a week regardless. it's typically recommended that you go with a 2:1 ratio (test to deca) with deca cycles. however, if prolactin is regulated from the start and throughout, i think this could be a productive cycle.
really and truthfully, though, it depends on what your goals are here in terms of how to stack these. if you're wanting to bulk, then a higher deca dose would be needed, but the test would HAVE to be at the 2:1 ratio, rather than trt. if you're wanting to have some leaner gains, a more therapeutic dose of deca would be appropriate. i like 250-300 for this.
i'm really on the fense about the trt doses for a deca stack... my theory is for the prolactin sides only. i have minimal experience with the hormone itself. maybe Viking or Noid can give you some tips.