posted Wed, 04/23/2014 - 16:04
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+ 1 Cycle REVIEW and ADVICE?
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Cycle:
Test Cyp 500mg weeks 1 - 12
HCG 1000IU weeks 3 - 15
Arimidex (when needed I NEED ADVICE on how/when)
PCT:
Nolvadex 20/20/40/40
Clomid 50/50/100 100
THANKS FOR HELP.
My stats:
Age: 28
Previous cycles: test cyp 10 weeks, anavar 8 weeks, Pro hormones.
How and when to use arimidex during cycle?
advice on how i layed out my cycle and my HCG usage?
general advice?
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Hows about a little hard graft and dropping that BF% down to around 12/13 before firing up this cycle?
Thanks for the reply mate,
my stats here are out of date lol my body fat is more like 11-12% now and have a good 5 years of lifting under the belt. Do you know when the optimal time to start, end and dose for the HCG with this cycle, I've read many posts and forums debating whether it is necessary on a cycle like this, i like think it would be beneficial to do so.
Also, from what i gathered i should use Arimidex around the 3week mark around 0.5mg EOD if symptoms arise as over use can be negative. Any advice bro, I know that I entered my PCT outline backwards lol do you prefer Arimidex over Aramosim in a cycle like this?
Have a read down below bro to see what i prefer!....... Re- HCG .... i would not advise its use with this cycle, but others may!..... its your choice at the end of the day bro.
BF% is kinda high, shouldn't be a problem though. The test-c is right on... You could hold off on the hcg until week four, and split the HCG up into two shots run it into the first two weeks of your pct. Wait until week 4 to start the adex... run it at .25 mgs EOD and if that doesn't do the trick up it too .5mg EOD. Adex is stronger than letrozole and kinda carry some sides, you might want to give letrozole a try first. For your pct, since you're using a longer ester testosterone, and not tapering off you need to wait for two weeks after your last pin to begin pct. Pct is backwards to bro, clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20...
Why?..... whats the logic behind this advice.
Doesn't it take three-four weeks for the test to metabolize and the build up estrogen occur? So I figured taking it before that time and without an aromatizing kick starter it would be a waste. I also heard a few story where people were having flu like sides effects with adex... I never had any problem personally with it... I just thought sense it seems more fluent and pronounced in adex, letrozole would be a good alternative.
Dont you think " AI on hand" would be a better way of learning what works and what effects each compound brings..... many people feel like shit on cycle and usually blame the test etc when in most cases when Adex is taken out they instantly start to feel much better and have a far more productive cycle in my opinion........... each to his own though brother, i am just throwing this out so that folks dont get the idea that "cookie cutter" AI use is the gospel........... experience has proved to me that it tends to be the "lower levels" run AI with every cycle because more advanced users have realised the potency of estrogen for producing gains and only turn to AI when problems show up.
We see lots of posts from noobies complaining about "test flu"... BS imo its the improper use of AI that causes such symptoms... and letro should never be used unless serious gyno problems occur because it crashes estrogen and that my friend is what any bodybuilder worth is salt never wants.
Thank you explaining that in detail for me viking. I always though adex was better, and I only really run adex, when I really need it..."on hand" but I understand now that it's "test-flu" and the improper use of the AI, and not the AI itself, is what's responsible for the misconception. You opened my eyes and cleared up a few things for me. I am still at the beginning of my career and my knowledge isn't as vast as yours yet, but I'm doing my best to learn brother, and anytime I get some good information I really take it in and apply it.
gotta agree with you there bro, I started running aromasin from week one on my first dbol/test cycle ages ago and I felt like shit come week3-5 literally felt fucked all day, and like I was guna kill someone lol...
stopped the aromasin for 5 weeks and felt AWESOME, then started adding it at a lower dose which then took the bloat out of my cheeks/gut
I think everyone learns one way or another .....
Good stuff bro thanks for chiming in +3 for your info.
I have a guy that swore by his ADEX ... i took him off it and put him on provi/mast combo and he swears its the best AAS decision he made in the last 10yrs...... i have others just running provi (nothing but pharma) and all doing fine!.... most of my people are ON year round either because of TRT or pure choice being high-level competition athletes, and none run any run of the mill AI anymore and all report less sides or feeling ill/sleeplessness etc...... i have found gyno issues are a thing of the past with proper compound ratios being used in differing stacks, and most importantly lately i use half-life cleave as the major factor in keeping estro levels stable...... my thinking was this> if blood plasma levels are unstable due to not understanding or utilising half-lives then so must estro due to the constant inbalance, so by some hard studying on every compounds half-life and utilising the 24hrs pr day concept instead of just doing the twice weekly, ED, EOD with oils and orals..... instead we count the specific hours between certain shots or tab taking to keep all levels constantly peaked for the complete blast length and gains have gone super-sonic with little to zero bad sides.
Also if someone is experiencing ill effects the compound at fault is traced and taken away from the stack.... be it tren, d/bol, anything!.... there is no coping with it thinking it will be ok!... its OUT and GONE to allow things to settle back down and get back on the gaining curve..... tren is becoming a thing of the past in my camp, the guys are gaining and feeling a whole lot better without it when bulking...... for ripping we will employ Methytrienolone for its superior power and effects in what would be a max 6wk use ... ill effects are expected at comp time so its in and out before any serious shit can take place .
Sorry for the long response but i had to write all that then my protocol could be better understood by other readers..... little detail leaves folks scratching their heads so i hope i made it clearer and understandable lol
thats some good info there bro.
give me a lot to consider/plan for my next cycle, think ill give your half life theory a go - makes perfect sense.
your posts are perfect really cause my next run is based with test e , mast e, bayer proviron as a bit of a recomp.
interesting posts mate, always worth a read learn something everytime...
SPECIALLY how much you like to swing that hammer LMAO.
When using a provi/mast combo for A/I is the mast at a low dose compared to a "typical" dose?
Yeah i never use more than 300mg mast E for this purpose bro..... i swear by 300mast 50provi for anything upto 1200mg of test....... thats my sweet spot, for others it may have to be re-calculated due to sensitivity or body weight differences.
This has got me rethinking my whole dose on my next cycle for my 10 week challenge in the arena.After finding this site ive learned that I respond better to lower doses and that I was doing myself more harm than good. I think im gonna drop my mast from 500 mg to 300mg. Im taking the less is more approch and trying to fine tune my diet.
Ok thanks, I may try this approach in the future. Right now just 50mg of Provi seems to be working.
LOL... hope you realise you got me dropping knowledge bombs on two different threads at the moment bro..... take it easy im gonna have to go lie down for a while lmao!
Yea I know sorry, I just like to take advantage of your time while you're hear, and the other was about food, who gives a shit about that right..... ;)
I just hit a pic up bro............ go have a laugh :)))
Don't forget bloodwork. Pre, mid and post cycle.
Hitman187not bad a few tweaks could be made. if your running hcg that long id lower the dose to 500iu/wk, and i wouldnt run hcg during pct, i usually do my last hcg inject 5-7 days before starting pct. the pct doses arent bad you just need to switch it around so your doing the higher doses first, then weining yourself down. clomid- 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20. with the armidex i usually start it going into my 3rd week. .5mg eod should be fine, depending on how sensitive you are to the sides, you may even be able to get away with .25 eod. i like to use the lowest amount of adex my body will allow. the idea is to control estrogen, not kill it