Bad reaction to test E
Hey everyone
I'd like to call on the wealth of experience here on ER regarding a rather unpleasant recent experience with test e
So as a back ground you should know i have been pinning test for years, I'm no newbie to the roid or the procedure of injecting it.
Never had a problem till now!
I ordered test e 250 from one of the top suppliers here on ER to cruise on
Pinned it in the thigh as usual without a second thought, then within 12 hours got the worst PIP i have ever experienced.
Lived with it for a week before it subsided.
I figured I could have botched up the pin because the syringe was a bit stiff so i thought I'd give it another go.
Same again
Stiff in the syringe, but I was extra careful with the pin this time but still in the morning i woke with crazy pip and this time it made me feel shit.
Tired, lethargic, loss of appetite and headache.
Not only that ....
I recovered the syringe and checked the oil. It smelt like nothing i have experienced before, like paraffin or diesel or something like it.
Usually gear just smells like vegetable oil.
Naturally I wrote to the supplier and described all the symptoms, gave them batch numbers and offered to send it back.
Basically it felt like i got fobbed off with a standard reply
I pasted it below for your perusal
So my questions are
Have any of you experienced something like this before with bad test e?
Does it sound like it could be a bad batch?
Is the explanation given by the supplier plausible or am I in the wrong here?
Many thanks
TW
So here is the reply, I'm not in the business hanging people out without fair justice so the business in question is not mentioned
We are sorry that you have encountered such reaction.
Mostly likely, it's PIP caused by a high concentration product.
High concentration products can cause side effects. We warn all our customers (on sites, warnings on boxes and in pamphlets also) that high concentrations may cause pips, lumps, increase in body temperature: symptoms similar to ones of an infection. For this reason several customers already accused us in emails in selling infected / not pure products.
Of course, this is not the case. All those symptoms are a typical and natural reaction of your body to high dosages of an active agent per ml.
There is a solution to prevent the PIP:
You can warm up the vial a little before injection the product, or in sever cases please try to decrease the dosage and it should be tolerated better. Also it can be the problem with an allergy on one of the product's compounds like the oil. In this case you will need antihistamine preparations.
Also, you need some anti-inflammatory pills to get rid of the pip and lump faster. Ibuprofen is the most popular one. Some anti-inflammatory medicine to apply locally is also recommended.
Please keep us posted.
Respectfully,
xxxxx
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The problem is the enanthate ester. I tested 5 reputable labs. All the same problems. I've read that something doesn't fit with the raws. Stay away from enanthate for now.
Interesting
I will be sending the gear for testing in the coming weeks
I have tried from the same brand Testo Cypionate without issues.
So to update on this
I gave the gear to a buddy to test it our. He does a lot of gear and has a lot more experience than me, his tolerance is on a whole other level but he got the same result as me.
So we can be pretty sure the gear is off in some way
In the mean time i wrote to the supplier again and got this reply back.
(I censored the name)
Hello, 1. We're sorry to hear that you're not happy with a product purchased from us. Since the beginning in 2008, xxxxxxxx is all about customer satisfaction. We understand that one can't exactly judge a product by how it feels, so that's why xxxxxxx has always offered HPLC on OUR DIME for ANY product purchased from our website.
Rules are pretty simple: Vials or blisters need to be factory sealed. Product needs to be sent from customer so it's impossible for results to be tampered. Results (good or bad) should be made public.
You need to use a trusted, well known lab, like SIMEC or same level. Entire cost of testing plus shipping will be paid by us.
After we have results, CENSORED will reship exact product, a similar one or give you store credit in the amount of product plus shipping, your choice. There's only way to know for sure if a product has what it should have inside and that's by chromatography analysis. Color tests will not be accepted.
Respectfully,
xxxxxxx
Has anyone been down this road before and have any advice on what happens?
I assume they are talking about the testing lab in CENSORED and I need to contact them and send the gear directly to them.
Thanks
TW
Thank you kindly Gentlemen for all your feed back
Sorry I didn't respond sooner, Indeed I did log in but then got distracted .. kids huh Who'd ave em ;-)
As usual one thing led to another and I went on shift for 10 days and didn't take the laptop i use for this kind of business with me.
Anyways I think most of you confirmed my suspicions
It must be be dodgy gear or some different carrier oil
I never had a problem pinning in the thigh or the buttocks, been doing it for years, so since this happened I used the same equipment in the same way with some test 300 I had in my reserves without a problem with it so it must be something in the oil.
I just wanted to run it past you guys to get the crack on what usually happens when this occurs and now I know...
I guess i just have to take the hit and order something else.
If anyone is interested on the supplier and the producer you are more than welcome to DM me
Once again
Many thank
TW
Make sure you know what the carrier oil was and avoid it in future purchases.
It is probably the carrier oil that you are reacting poorly to. Sometimes the body will adapt to this after awhile or you may just need to find a different source.
You mentioned that it is Test E so that dose/concentration is not too bad. If you know the carrier oil is the same that you are used to, then look at your needles. There is a needle/syringe guide somewhere on ER
Everything went pretty fine, got very good muscle gains and PCT was super succesful, 4 weeks after PCT I did bloodwork where I had everything tested and my own test got back.
bgukxllsWould be very helpful to know the syringe length and gauge. Quads can experience PIP, especially if you have tense muscles often. It helps to relax the muscles, ie: pin after a shower where the muscles and blood vessels are relaxed. Piercing muscle with a needle, infact the same needle that you use to draw, is taking a needle that has very slightly been dulled, and jamming it through muscle. Before I used slin pins, I would swap the needle i drew with for a fresh needle (many syringes have this ability to unscrew and screw on a fresh needle).
It also helps to heat the oil, and pin slowly --not too quickly as oil + pressure through an already pierced muscle is no good.
Also note, all syringes are not equal. Different brands and companies are preferred based on comfort and utility for that reason.
Gear does not smell like vegetable oil by the way, at least not to me. Gear has a unique smell, hard to explain at all. Def not diesel though.
Lastly, different carrier oils affect people differently. Most of the time they should not, but I'm learning that its a "thing" nowadays..But certainly not as big of a thing as the amount of solvents/preservatives used.
Regardless, for your sake, I hope it was not your supplier giving you some overly concentrated batch (this happens alot, not sure why some UGLs do this.. probably because they can.. or their supplier overdoses batches with the intention of repeat service) --- or worse, giving you some complete garbage they are just offloading..
RustyhookerMostly likely, it's PIP caused by a high concentration product.
You said 250mg...so what is it? Somethings off here
RustyhookerLogged in today but cant update his own post? Pfffttt
Maybe the pip went to his finger tips.
RustyhookerPossibly. Lol
I would dump it What if your test e was mislabeled and it's actually prop
Dump it. Suppliers rarely admit to a shitty brew or other issues. They like to blame virgin muscle, bad pinning, allergic to this or that when most of the time it’s just a crap brew. It’s happened to most of us. Best to just move on. Right a review if appropriate.
Probably reacting to solvents or carrier oil. Find out what the carrier oil is and avoid that in the future.
I second this.