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Switching esters periodically

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My coworker was talking with some of his gym buddies and his gym buddies say they switch from test c to test e and back every so often.

He didn’t get any of the important detail such as how often they switch between esters but he said they said it’s better that way.

Doesn’t seem like changing one long ester for another would have any benefits or drawbacks unless your body liked one ester more than the other.

I can see switching between short and/or long esters based on time/goals etc but is there actually a benefit of switching long ester for a different long ester? Or a short ester for a different short ester?

Pandateston's picture

Switching Test C to Test E back and forth just to switch doesn’t really do anything. They’re both long esters, they sit in the system almost the same way. So if someone’s “rotating” C and E, that’s just gym folklore IMO.

But where it does matter is bigger picture:

Long esters and short esters don’t feel the same.
Not because the hormone changes … but because the ester affects the hormone dynamics:

Long esters (E/C):
* Convert to estrogen more
* Hold nitrogen better
* Raise IGF-1/GH signaling more
—> fuller look, more anabolic environment, also more water + more suppression

Short esters (Prop):
* Higher peaks + quicker clearance
* Less estrogen load
* Easier to manage sides, tighter/drier look
—> why guys use short esters pre-contest and long esters for size phases

So the idea of “test is test” is just too simplistic.
The hormone is the same, yeah … but the kinetics change the downstream effects.

Now, switching between two long esters (C <-> E) specifically?
No real benefit unless digestion/injection comfort/carrier oils differ.

Switching long <—> short depending on phase/goals?
Yes. Makes sense.

So to answer your coworker’s gym bros:
They’re not wrong about esters mattering … they’re just misunderstanding where it matters.

So basically…
Switching long ester to long ester is pointless.
Switching long to short depending on goals is smart.

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Steeltoad777's picture

I use sustanon, test e and c for my cruise dose, I use prop and TNE for quick 4 to 6 week blasts.

I think my body can get used to a dose, not necessarily an ester. So I try to take breaks from blasting as much as possible, let the receptors "reset"

Test e and c are pretty interchangeable to me, I dont notice any difference between the two.

Jockstrap's picture

Cough...theres no difference but 2 days in half life and halves are 100% dependent on pin area

Jockstrap's picture

Test is not test .....search

RobertB80's picture

Mate of mine switched from short to cyp and swears by it. To be fair his results prove his point but then how many other factors are at play….who knows?

Jockstrap's picture

Theres cited forums bro Smile

Milfpounder's picture

I'm gonna try it. I'll go from 200/wk cyp to 500/wk Enanthate and then come back and say it worked.

Petecastiglione's picture

Hahaha

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OogieBoogie's picture

I have a friend that does the same thing. He says it shocks his body but I think its bull and just a placebo effect.

irongame427's picture

There’s so much bro science in the gym when it comes to gear. In what way is it better? If I had to guess their theory would be to prevent the body from getting used to it and prevent gains from stalling. In practice this won’t do anything. Switching long esters won’t overcome the increase in myostatin that slows down gains after a while. Nor will changing compounds at comparable doses. Only way you could potentially overcome it is by increasing dose.

Petecastiglione's picture

Yep. The compound is the compound.

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Jockstrap's picture
Mikeyt84LINY's picture

People on here are too smart for their own good. And look like shit to back it up.
I gave up on trying.

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Petecastiglione's picture

@Jockstrap I def don’t look like shit lol, i just never saw a difference in results based off the ester. Tried Cyp, E, Sus, 4 test blends etc. If someone feels differently that’s fine I’m not arguing what works for someone else.

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Jockstrap's picture

@Petecastiglione show where i said anyone looked like shit. I cited your science wasnt backed

No08's picture

@Petecastiglione I think he was referring to me lol

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Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Nah i saw your pix your one of the few guys on here who do have some size. I wasn't talking about you.
Far as the ester thing. They actually are diff. Some more than others. You can get a "shock" from switching. But more like test p to e, sust to test c. Type of thing. More dramatic. Obv there's always a point though where you have to take a break no matter what Ester. It can prolong for all is worth.

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irongame427's picture

Agreed. Going from a short to a long, and sometimes even a long to a short, or to sust can shock the body. But as OPs gym bro suggest going from comparable long esters like test E to C won’t do anything imo.

Petecastiglione's picture

Tbh, now that I’m thinking of it, I have gotten gains I believe when one of my sources were out of Enan and I got Sus a little while back. I actually may stand corrected on this

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Jockstrap's picture

@Mikeyt84LINY ....wise words!!

Pumped_'s picture

6 or half dozen. Enanthate is prescribed in Europe and Cypionate prescribed in USA for HRT.

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DavosD's picture

Bullshit. If you pin twice a week it wont matter.

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No08's picture

I’m intrigued by this bull semen. Is it added to protein shakes? Injected sub-q? Injected IM? Do you have a source for pharma-grade? How many mg per week?

Chunky or smooth?

I have so many questions….

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Milfpounder's picture

I prefer to butt-chug mine

laxman3221's picture

Bro science at its finest!

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randomdude's picture

gOtTa CoNfUsE tHe BoDy

Greg's picture

That's why I go trans every other week

randomdude's picture

I just cross dress on the weekends. Maybe it’s time to go all in.

Milfpounder's picture

You're @Janefonda aren't you

Petecastiglione's picture

That would be a scooby doo plot twist

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Milfpounder's picture

Would just make eroids that much more badass

Petecastiglione's picture

Cross dressing is badass. Everything is if you’re on gear

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