posted Tue, 03/12/2024 - 17:01
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Doing a little research before my next cycle and one thing I'm wondering is when it comes to pinning frequency of test prop and npp is eod fine because I've seen people saying run prop everyday.
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I specifically run Prop and NPP these days, incorporating Dbol normally just on pressing day. Run the Prop and NPP ED for the best results, yes NPP is fine EOD but you still get the best build up from ED injecting. If you were just starting out then Test prop EOD would feel fine to you , but as you have done previous cycles it no longer will and I can literally feel it crashing at the end of a pinning day now. For the past 12 days I have been tapering over from Prop to Enanthate for this reason as I was crashing during the night but never really realised it.
Ya I’m really sick of prop, every damn day. You can’t just switch one day right? Like I should taper the prop while starting the cyp?
I think this is why some suggest Sust. Then transition to Cyp isn't as hard with the longer esters in the sust.
I’ve switched to sust before and no matter what I did I couldn’t get the acne under control so I had to switch back
I did briefly try it with Sustanon, but I found it even worse. The shorter esters are too low in mg to even feel and the Decanoate takes 48 hours to peak, and with it being so heavily estered there is not much Test left over. Some good Enanthate is definitely the best option blended in with the decreasing amount of Prop I find.
Is there a reason you prefer cyp over enanthate? I did enanthate years ago and just used prop ever since so I figured this time I’d try cyp
I've only used Enan and never tried Cyp mate - Enanthate is more a UK thing and Cyp is generally prescribed over in the US for TRT, Enanthate is usually higher in mg/ml than Cyp as its easier to suspend in the oil which is why you often see 300mg/ml E and 200mg Cyp as standard measures.
Also I just realized cyp is a little longer ester then enanthate, for some reason I always thought it was the other way around
Main thing for me is I'd like to use npp over deca this time
This will be my 3rd cycle, I've ran deca once, had no problem, just want the faster one this time. I'd prefer eod to since this would be my first time not doing twice a week
I'm running 0.5 of 150 NPP eod. It's geeewwwddd shtuff. Get tired of hitting eod. Sucks
Ya that's whybi was thinking 8 weeks eod but I may go another route now. E or c with a prop Kickstart. And deca with a npp Kickstart or just deca no npp. I respond well to orals and deca. Haven't had any issues knock on wood.
I thought 8 weeks too... But gonna run it 12 or 14
Best thing to do is try it EOD at first, see how you go on. Obv the higher the dose you run the less the crash will be, however I think after having a few training sessions on the day off pinning I think you will change your mind and try ED pinning. You simply feel more tired on the non pinning day and not as peaky and energised.
I was planning 100mg of each per injection
If you are going for EOD I would use 150mg of each. 100mg of Test Prop EOD is not going to get you much muscle.
Bear in mind that 700mg of Test Prop is like running 500mg of Test E once they have built up.
Interesting…. I thought 700mg of testosterone is 700mg of testosterone, even if half lives are taken into account isn’t 700mg weekly still 700mg weekly if anything isn’t 700mg of prop more actual testosterone than 700mg of test e once you deduct the ester weight?
I could learn something new here mate.
I know you are feeling better on the test e and the switch from prop to e has worked out good for you , but for me I honestly feel a lot better on prop and more balanced and I hold less water. The only reason I don’t stick to prop is the consistency of pining.
@Stokes500 @JakeKO yea stokes 700mg prop carries more test than 700mg Enanthate. It's the build up of E that's all.
Off the top of my head
700mg prop= 560mg test base
700mg E= 490mg test base
That what I was thinking so if your pinning prop Ed or eod then it’s going to balance out to 700mg of test p being more actual test than 700mg of test e, I’m trying to understand why 700mg of prop is like running 500mg of E when they have built up if there’s actually more available test in the prop , doesn’t the prop just build up quicker being shorter half life ? Does it not just take the test e longer to reach peak …… I’m pretty sure I’m wrong I just want someone to tell me why I’m wrong
If you pin 200mg of Prop, then by 20 hours in only half of it is left being 100mg and then that fades out. When you get round to injecting it again it takes at least 8 hours from the injection to it then being released in one big wallop into the bloodstream then it quickly tails off again. You do get some carry over into the next day from bits of build up for sure but its minimal. There is more raw Test in the prop than the Enanthate but after the 3 or 4 weeks it takes to fully peak the Enanthate when you take into account that the troughs do not dip as low as with the Prop - the Enanthate works better overall. There was a study done years ago which compared the two and the Enanthate produced more muscle mass than the same amount of Prop. I get what you are saying though, when the Prop hits it feels way better and stronger. Best combo is when you run them both together which is I guess why you have these new sustanon type products with 50mg Prop and then 200mg Enanthate, then you have the prop peaking the Test level while the E keeps the troughs higher.
Fair question. The problem is prop is in and out and doesn't really build up as much due to the half life unlike Enanthate half life. Yes takes longer for E to reach peak but you gotta remember it converts to e2 more, so it provides a bit more growth than prop does. Honestly not sure how or who came up with 700mg prop being equal to 500mg E, but the build up does make difference resulting in more estro. That's probably why that 500mg/ 700mg comparison is made.
You’re right, but the Test Prop hits hard every pinning day and other esters have to build up. Some test is also lost in the long esters. I can’t give you a better explanation but @Jockstrap can if he sees this
@JakeKO @stokes500 a lil off track but this forum will add a lil extra fire to what we think and do. Which for me pushes towards sustanon traditional formula or even prop as a kicker with cypionate/enanthate. And even a lil more bang is tail end of cycle lowering the sbgh. As body seeks equilibrium sbgh rises to bind up the excess test.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-...
@Jockstrap @JakeKO lolol....guess the lil fiesty nasty rascal found a new job huh? Ole Rusty...Him little!!
@JakeKO asked a polite question. I politely answered. This is your MO here?
So now the question is will e or p be more beneficial to my bulk.
I always start off any cycle with both. At about week 5-6 the long ester test starts kicking in and I start backing off the Prop to avoid pinning every other day, and I start pinning the difference in milligrams with the long ester. These days I tend to use factory blended tests similar to Sustanon to cut back on the volume, this way I still get the nice boost on pinning days which I align with my heavier workouts
That was another option in my mind was using sustanon instead, I just want to avoid hormone fluctuations
I’m not a fan of Sustanon anymore for that reason. I use a Test blend sold by two different labs which consists of E, C, and P for a total of 350mg per ML. I feel I get the best of three worlds. During a bulk I pin 1cc on M,W,F, but during a cut it’s every other day. In reality, this type of compound should be pinned every other day, but during bulks I like to give my glutes a break on the weekends because I always have another 1.5cc’s of other compounds in the barrel for a total of 2.5cc’s. The two days off prevents any over pinning discomfort. During cuts I’ll pin my delts as well, so my glute shots are always lower volume and can handle every other day pinning
I’m with ya, I just load up on on C or E and add some P with it for my own blend, I have a buddy that loves Sustanon, I’ve been telling him to give this mix a try.
Split the difference go C lol ….. I tend to use long esters for bulking so I would use the test E
Im on your side. This convo/debate reminds me of potheads debating strains. Just smoke/pin the shit! Lol
I haven't used cyp yet, usually run enanthate just because it was the first one I used. I may just do that with a prop kickstart.
Sounds good to me. I ran 600mg test e and 500mg deca