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+ 6 My recent PCT Protocol after a long cycle

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The purpose of this post is to share with members my personal experience recovering through a 16 month blast and cruise dating back since September 2022. I’m a 39 year old male, soon to be 40 with generally decent levels but I wanted to experience the benefits a blast and cruise.

My typical blasts would only consist of 250mg/ 300 mg of Test e along with another compound like Tren e 200/300 mgs or primo at 300 mgs or mast, while occasionally throwing in an oral like Var. Nothing crazy, followed by trt @100mgs per week.

I wanted to test my natural levels to see how and if I recover after long term usage while also observing my behavioral and psychological patterns compared to psychological states while using. This recovery was a tad different because I incorporated proviron and HCg. This took me a total of 9 weeks and the reason being was I was in fear of being suppressive.

Here it is:

Wk-1-3 Hcg: 1500 iu 3x a week

Wk: 1-3 Proviron 50 mgs dropped to 25 mg for 4th final week

Wk- 4-9

Clomid: 100 mg Ed then dropped to 50 final 2 weeks

Nolva: 40 mg them dropped to 20 final 2 weeks.

There are several discussions regarding proviron being suppressive towards FSH and LH levels with strong support but this was not the case in my experience. My blood work back in 2021 (off cycle and this was after not cycling for 3 years) show my SHBG levels were high and free test was low. Doctor stated there was no way to actually decrease SHBG levels for more free test. Well, my recent blood work shows otherwise and I believe incorporating proviron into my pct rapidly facilitated my recovery.

I’m not here to argue with anyone, I’m only sharing an experience because quite frankly I was afraid to come off and wanted to make exceptions to justify my need to be on trt for psychological dependency. If I truly love fitness and being active, I don’t truly need to depend on gear although it makes things a hell of a lot easier especially now that I’m getting older. I know there are some members who cycle literally all year round, please keep your health in mind

###My blood work came back better than ever including my levels. Don’t be afraid to come off and be natural just for the look. Your health is more important.

Trt guys, if you naturally have low test then fire away my brothers.

Respect all my bros

Simon (fucking autocorrect said simp lol)

Juicer80's picture

Did you use any HCG during those 16 months?

simonmagus84's picture

No, I’m sorry for the late reply.

Stokes500's picture

Thanks for this mate, I’m going to run a cut for the summer then I’m going to try and come off on pct, I’ve tried and failed in the past but I definitely had psychological issues and I definitely have some dependency or addiction issues, maybe both I’ve been blasting and cruising at least 10 years and like you my health is starting to appear more important to me these days

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DeeMan's picture

Damn 10 years straight huh? I've always incorporated pct every time afterwards. Do you get bloods?

Stokes500's picture

Yes mate twice a year and I donate every 12 weeks and monitor BP I take baby asprin and ramipril daily too.

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DeeMan's picture

Blood is probably like Ragu spaghetti sauce lol!
Nah good for you. Good to see you doing this. Interested to see how it turns out.

Stokes500's picture

It was at one point but I got on a donation program and started taking the baby aspirin and stays within range but I miss one donation and it goes out of range

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DeeMan's picture

I should jump on baby aspirin. I wonder what affect it has own cholesterol levels

simonmagus84's picture

Are you Jeff Monson ?

DeeMan's picture

Or Scott Mendelson?

simonmagus84's picture

Ahh that’s his name, the dude that tore his pec.

DeeMan's picture

Nah I know he's not Scott. Stokes is his twin bro from UK lol. Scott's from the West Coast (California). Dude did hold the raw bench press record of 715 for damn near 10 years though. I'll give him that. He's definitely a trip lol...cool guy.

simonmagus84's picture

Now that you say that, he’s smiling in every picture he takes so I’m sure he’s a jovial bloke.

DeeMan's picture

You've noticed that too huh? I'm sure both have the same personality

Stokes500's picture

Probably be that size when I come off lol

Actually he’s bigger than I thought he’s around 17stone 108kg around 40lbs give or take lighter than me so actually probably around that weight after my attempt at PCT

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press1's picture

Tell me when you do it buddy and I will try it alongside you also, I am curious to know what level (if any) I can get back to after years of the same thing Good

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simonmagus84's picture

Press, I think this can potentially be a trend to get some long time users to find off and see if they can recover. Would you consider doing a poll on this topic of long term cycling ?

press1's picture

Sure buddy!! Just tell me what you want me to ask in it on here or in PM - are you thinking along the lines of asking how long people have been on with no break in between cycles? Just Blast and cruising?

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Stokes500's picture

I’m going to do a 8-12 week cut then get on it mate, you definitely up for it … emotional support and all that lol

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press1's picture

For sure mate - I think I may know another member on here too that may be interested in joining us @RobertB80 We can open up an emotional support PCT forum and everything! lol

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RobertB80's picture

@press1 I’ll be on PCT like “I’m not crying mate, you are!” Happy to give emotional support whilst cruising and munching a big bag of popcorn!

Stokes500's picture

Sponsors for when I’m sat in bathroom at night with a 3ml barrel hanging out my arse and finger on the plunger

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press1's picture

Stokes Calls Press at 1am - 'Press I've got the needle in me arse 100mg TNE, 100mg Tren Base & 400mg Super Sust - I'm about do it Bro, I can't take it anymore!!! I've lost 2kg's since lunchtime and I haven't pinned in 12 hours - Give me a reason not to do it!! LMFAO

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simonmagus84's picture

All of us have been there but In reality it’s about accepting yourself as you are. There’s more to most of us than our physical appearance and most of us here make that the most important aspect of our identity. For me, I just like being active, it doesn’t have to be the gym. I have my kids, wife and career. If I was single, maybe I’d be a little different but I wouldn’t let that control me, I would find more healthy hobbies that are health promoting to stay active.

DeeMan's picture

Well said, I couldn't agree with you more. Glad to see more guys prioritizing health first instead of physical looks as you said. To me there never was an equal comparison because health is way more important. What's the point of looking good now only to be feeling bad tomorrow?!! Hopefully this can spark that change in some guys.

You're test levels at 39 are good. Nice post.

simonmagus84's picture

Thanks Dee,

We share a similar purpose in reminding members less is more and nothing is worth sacrificing one’s health for an achievement, EHP boost or bragging right.

DeeMan's picture

Yep this is serious business and it should be.

AlexDavis43's picture

Thanks for sharing and especially to referencing psychological dependency aspect. You never know how much to believe online but there are posts about people injecting plain sterile water or 0.22 um filtered MCT oil when the run out of gear.

simonmagus84's picture

It’s funny you mention this, I know people that pin empty syringes just to feel the pressure of the needle. Whatever makes it easier.

wanted's picture

My name is wanted and i pin empty syringes into my body on non pin days
Atleast im not the only one. Cant wait for MAY when i have everyday pins filled with sauce

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simonmagus84's picture

From this point forward I think I will always start the month of May.

DeeMan's picture

All the ladies know your name is Wanted. Looking forward to hearing from you in May.

Nick87's picture

How long after stopping the clomid and nolva were these test taken?
Edit-
I see now you stated this was after 3 years off cycle?

simonmagus84's picture

I stopped taking the Clomid nolva at the end of January. So I didn’t touch anything for 7 or 8 weeks.

sandman3698's picture

I actually popped a few provirons durimg my last pct also. Made me feel a little better and didnt seem to hinder my recovery

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schecterc1h's picture

Thanks for this

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