posted Sun, 06/05/2022 - 13:25
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Has anybody here figured out a way to stop the anxiety from equipoise? I liked the compound but after a while I couldn’t even look people in the eye. No confidence! I’m going to read up on the internet and see if I see anything. I’ll use the search at here too.
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It is a weak ai if at all. Doesn’t effect my estrogen at all. Running with 5-600mg of test at the worst you may have to lower ai just a tad if at all. I have actually ran an eq/dhb cycle with zero test
Might give it a shot. I'm grateful not to be a high estro converter. Never used an ai before. I like the round full look I get from the little conversion of estro..Helps my strength. And I've seen your pics when u were on dhb/ eq cycle only. U looked round, full and vascular. That's the look I shoot for
The Edgy feeling from EQ hits me very early on - I start to feel it several days in and also the headaches. I jacked it in after only around 4 days on the last run and won't bother with it again.
That's exactly why I haven't messed with it. Don't know the cause. Some say it's a result of EQ metabolites that act as weak ai's. I can see that. I've heard of guys saying EQ dropped their estrogen way too low. Also heard of brain chemical imbalance. Would like to know truth
AnonAs far as any AI properties l, I personally haven’t experienced any when running EQ. Hasn’t lowered my E2 significantly at all. And as far as increased appetite, this I always experience with EQ. I’m literally hungry all day, even after all my scheduled meals.
BUT, the anxiety it brought me this last run was almost overbearing. Had bloods drawn and only thing elevated was my RBC but was still within range.
I’d be interested to see if you took a sensitive LC/MS-MS estradiol test that’s only measures e2. Opposed to serum estradiol, which picks up e1(esterone) that eq converts into and has no benefit whatsoever. And also your ratio of compounds
Ok so the lower e2 isn't an issue all the time with everyone, that's good to know seriously. From what y'all are saying it's more of the anxiety. Figure at lower dosage it shouldn't be too bad. Lol damn it this would probably be the perfect anabolic if it wasn't for anxiety and blood issues it brings. Half as androgenic as test with all it's anabolism
You ran it with test at what ratio? And you got blood work to see your estradiol on it? For me it’s the BP that caused the anxiety for sure that’s why I say an arb is a must have while run eq. I also had great hunger signaling while on it even during the beginning at a lower dose.
AnonI was also running test at 400mg at that time as well, sorry left that out brother.
AnonI was running the EQ at 400mg a week, that seems to be a sweet spot for me with that compound. I’ve also ran it at 600mg before, several years ago. At that time I didn’t experience any of the anxiety, this was just in my last run with the compound.
That’s the highest I’ve ran it is 400 mg and I think you should have a 1:1 ratio with testosterone at minimum. I notice you didn’t mention any bloodwork regarding e2 you just said it didn’t lower it
AnonYes, I had scheduled blood work while on that cycle. I didn’t get it done specifically because of the E2. Just bloods while on cycle, my BP was fairly elevated but not in prehypertension by any means. Wasn’t on any AI as I usually do not need them, E2 was within same range as last time I had bloods drawn. And cycle prior did not include EQ.
I’m trying to follow you, maybe I’m reading incorrectly or something. You scheduled bloods but didn’t get them done but did get just bloods on cycle? If you did get e2 checked while on eq was it using a sensitive LC/MS-MS estradiol test, or just standard serum estradiol test?
AnonI’m not sure what you’re not understanding. I was on a cycle of gear, while on my cycle of gear I went to get blood work done (something I do on every cycle so this is not out of the norm for me)
CBC with auto-differential, CMP, TSH, lipid panel, testosterone free and total with estradiol.
Ok got it! Was your testosterone free and total with estradiol a sensitive test that said “LC/MS-MS” next to it or just “serum” next to it?
AnonUltrasensitive LC/MS
Nice! 1:1 ratio should keep e2 just fine then, and anxiety has to just be from the BP. Thanks man
AnonYea that’s my bad brother, I didn’t see where you asked if it was serum or ultrasensitive. At work just browsing when I have some down time. I was wondering on BP being the cause of the anxiety, but on both my last two blood work my BP was 150/75 and 149/75.
I’m at work doing the same lol. I actually went and checked my BP last night and it was 142/77. The slight constant elevation might be it or the thickening of the blood. It seems when I’m active and working out the anxiety isn’t as bad but on off days or just chilling I get ancy.
AnonMan that describes me to a T! On days I’m more active and on training days I swear it’s no where near as bad as my rest days. Seems those days it rebounds from my training sessions and kicks my ass lol
I'd definitely run my test equal to or a little more than my EQ dosage. 350-400mg sounds good.
What was the lower dose?
Started at 300 and moved up to 400 mg a week and that’s about all I can bear after 7 weeks lol can’t imagine what 800 feels like some of these guys have taken
Lol I hear ya...800 or a gram lol. That's crazy. So in 7 weeks at those dosages you got some gains from it? Figured run at least 12 weeks minimum
I had some anabolism yes and I believe it helped keep body looking hard while gaining 15 lbs
AnonI’ve always started seeing a lot more vascularity around week 4-5, and by week 6-7 that nice lean hard look starts to roll in. This is also when I seem to start having the increased anxiety.
Yessir..nice to hear.
And that's not even factoring in the thickening of blood it causes lol
RustyhookerWondering when you experienced it week wise. Like early on or later in cycle?
It was around week 6 or 7. Same time as the hunger started. Was taking 500 mgs a week
RustyhookerJust wonder if rbc crept up that quick...bumped bp
Yahtzee! Need an arb if running eq in my opinion
RustyhookerIve never gotten anxiety so can only guess for me personally. Low e2 my joints get sore and adjust my test or mast
6 weeks at 600mg is about when it hits me too. Never used to have an issue with it but the last couple cycles it has hit me hard almost to the point of not wanting to run it again
Besides test what would you run it with to gain some mass? I was thinking superdrol but orals kill my appetite after week three.
On week 7 now with test base. It’s blood pressure bro and possibly low e2 (have to get blood work to know- ultra sensitive estradiol test). When I run it next time I WILL have an arb in place or I won’t run eq. And it’ll be the last 7-10 weeks of a bulk cycle because of the estrogen lowering
What’s an arb?
Its a type of BP medication such as Telmisartan. They are arguably the best kind to take with the least side effects. Next are ACE inhibitors.
Yea I figured low e2. I just posted above about that. I think it's the EQ metabolites acting as weak ai's
It dominates the receptor site and converts into esterone (e1) which is useless and doesnt have any of the benefits e2 has from a muscle building, libido, or protective standpoint
I see...so it's basically lowing e2 and converting into e1. Not good
RustyhookerLow e2 halts growth so knowing your bloods is key.
It does halt growth but right amount also gives a feeling of well being amongst other things. Ya grow while feeling good..can't beat that Hooker!
RustyhookerTypically i like eq a lot. But npp.....thats a fun one too.
Hard to beat the vascularity from eq. It also makes my muscles look nice and dense
I hear ya
My best cycles have been eq and dhb. Kind of bummed the eq has been giving me panic attacks. I might drop the eq down to 400 and bump dhb up to 5-600mg.
I have tried sd both oral and recently inject and the lethargy hits so hard by wk 2 I can’t continue. Pulsing Adrol is pretty much my go to oral if looking for mass
I don’t respond to anadrol well, probably because it kills my appetite. Funny you say DHB I was looking at that too thinking of running it at 3 to 400 mgs a week. How was your appetite on dhb and did it make you aggressive? Or anything I should know for side effects before I run it
Zero sides with dhb other than sweating like a whore in church. Doesn’t affect my appetite one way or the other
DHB it is