TRT - Test E and Mast E cruise
Hey everyone. Hope the weekend is treating you well.
So let’s start with a very brief rundown…
Took gear in college. Now 40. Getting back into it and things have changed/better info/better routines found etc.
I’m not looking to go CRAZY hence why I have this a TRT subject line. Aware I will need to get bloods as well. But I want to PLAN as best as possible and have whatever I will need on hand and not try to go adhoc in the middle of my program.
Want to run Test E and Mast E
Ideally 125 test and 75 Mast per week with pins being EOD.
Test will be 125mg and basically indefinite.
Mast I want to do between 12 and 16 weeks from what I understand. Especially at this lower dose.
Are there any obvious issues with what I have outlined?
Anything I should be looking for? Should I bump mast up? I’ve seen lots of people running this much higher but not too many running it this low.
Really any and all feedback for a informative discussion would be greatly appreciated.
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You're going to get roasted here. Like you have already, so there's that. Pre bloodwork is key to get a baseline of everything, to actually see where you're at.
You're 40 and haven't ran gear since college. Your body has changed a lot in that time. Gear response probably wont be the same as it was before. Shit happens as we get older and you may not respond well to some compounds like you used to.
Sounds like you're going to run regardless. Why not just run Test? Run for 4 or 5 weeks and get bloods done. To actually see where you stand. EOD is kind of pointless with E unless you like to pin a lot. You could possibly be above normal reference range on 125mg a week, which wont bee good in the long run. After you get bloods adjust dose as needed.
Mast is not an AI. People get it wrong with what Mast and Primo actually do. Definitely don't run from the get go if you haven't even started Test by itself. Because if everything is fine without the Mast at that point a low dose is just throwing money away.
Lapiszx3Yeah. This is why I’m really curious about mast.
I see so many people say it prevents shgb and thus minimizes estrogen. It’s not a block so much as it fights for the receptor as I understand.
Which is why it intrigues me to have an injectable that will tighten up my appearance and benefit me in the bedroom. Thus boosting my confidence and allowing my to not take cialis (which 100mg pill will
Absolutely make me feel like dog shit for 2 days)
I’m trying to avoid orals for liver health. And mast just kinda sounded like it would work in tandem with test.
100mg of Cialis? Jesus fuck that's a lot lol. I'm good on 10mg, shit even as low as 5mg can get me going. 50mg put me good for a few days. I'd definitely get bloodwork done if you have to go on 100mg. I take 5mg a day for BP that's all I need.
Mast is similar to Primo. Obviously not the same. It's more so it confuses estrogen after it's already bound to the receptor. Basically Estrogen goes full on Joe Biden halfway through a speech. Also too low of estrogen can cause ED as well.
"Basically Estrogen goes full on Joe Biden halfway through a speech."
Dude I'm dying laughing. Thank you.
Lapiszx3Lol. Funny frame of reference.
Yes 100. Prescription.
20 won’t even make my nose stuffy anymore.
Lapiszx3Also…its very predictable.
A new girl. And I can get very hard but I pop quick and can’t recover.
An old girl and I have to make her work for it. Tirelessly. And it’s unreliable at best. May never even pop. And can not for the life of me stay hard. Even if I find her absurdly attractive.
On Dr blue..and I can at least keep it hard and finish strong. Sometimes can give a repeat performance. Sometimes not.
But I am dog shit the next two days. Energy crashes. All kinds of back pain from the viagra or cialis effect on muscle.
I’ve tried never watching porn and never rubbing one out for weeks in an attempt to make having sex MORE “exciting” and it doesn’t do the trick. It might even make things worse.
And if I’m sober…fuck nothings gonna happen.
Lastly, I can’t recall the last time I woke up with wood.
Your performance issue is primarily not physical; it's mental. Stress, porn addiction, etc. You seem to need strange, taboo, exciting, etc. as soon as that wears off, mundane, lack of interest. If you're over exposed to porn, that will sedate you, making everything seem bland and "unexciting". If you're in it just for yourself gratification that too will dampen the desire.
I would also see an endo doc and not your GP. Doing what you're doing is akin to you being your own lab rat while being blind to what's going on under the hood.
Oof. You take 100 mg of Cialis at a time bro. ? If that works for you ok, but that's a lot. At 20 mg, I feel it full force whether its pharma or other, with all the good and bad sides, any higher and the bad sides just get worse. Does it take that much to get the benefits you want ?
Lapiszx3Yup. 100. Prescription.
I started with 20mg underground stuff years ago. Switch to prescription stuff around 2019. Right about the last time I had a full work up including bloods and nothing was wrong. But I needed the little blue guy to get anything going.
Hmmmm....3-4 years is a pretty good amount of time. A lot could change in that time. Are you really opposed to getting bloodwork? Something is off if you have to run 100mg of cialis. Like fuck, i think I'd die lolol. Low T might be the least of your issues.
Lapiszx3Nope. Not opposed to bloods at all.
I just REALLY do not think it’s anything else.
I’ve been trending this direction for quite a while. And it’s probably related to using when I was 22. So that’s on me.
But I try to listen to my body and be aware of even minute changes in day to day but hyper aware of broader trends in my physical responses over time. And I can confidently say this has been trending this way forever. And if my bloods (even 4 years ago) we’re fine and the Dr gave me a perfect bill of health…but I was struggling with performance then…I can only summarize that this is a continuation of that.
And I view test as a much more natural supplement (as a male) than viagra or cialis. Mast is the outlier here. But it clearly has my attention as perhaps a better alternative to viagra for my day to day life.
I wouldn't leave it to "i don't think." That's what gets some people dead. Had a buddy lesve it to that and had pancreatic cancer because he thought it was something else. Not saying it's this situation but don't leave it to think.
Mast could exacerbate the problem. ED could be caused by a gang of things. Heart disease, blood pressure, diabetes to diet to a chemical imbalance in the brain to mental health. The list goes on. I know we keep saying it but I nor anyone else can me you do anything you aren't wanting to. Just suggesting it's something to look into.
Do you actually need to supplement with exogenous test? What are your natty levels?
Lapiszx3I haven’t gotten bloods. But i know I have physically been rolling down the hill for quite a while and I have a ton of “symptoms” that align with low t.
I’m also at an age and a state of life/routine/etc that I am completely ok with going on a low dose of test for the rest of my life and maintaining bi weekly pins.
I’ve thought about it quite a bit.
And regardless of if my bloods “say” I NEED test…my body and mental state are telling me that I need it. And if the addition of low dose test and occasional addition of mast for AI benefits and cosmetic maintenance…then I want to plan the best route for their use.
You don't know you have low T until you get tested. Could be a whole host of other factors. Maybe you have a tumor on your pituitary gland causing low T, maybe you have cancer. These are things that a doc will check to try and figure out why you have low T, if that is the case. There are other factors besides age that need to be evaluated. Just hopping in Test because you think you have low T is pretty reckless if you are interested in your overall health.
Lapiszx3While I do recognize this as a potential cause and am aware of various other things that could cause these effects…
I simply do not care about my “health” in the way that is generally assumed to be the proper way.
I am quite literally more concerned about my day to day feeling of well being than any longer term “health” consequences as I don’t plan on living forever. I’d prefer to enjoy my time while I am here. Not fretting over if my dick is going to work or how out of shape I have gotten.
I’m not afraid of death in the slightest. I have no children or anything that I need or want to live as long as possible for. I am significantly younger than my siblings. Etc.
I’m just trying to say that at the end of the day…I weigh things differently than most of society.
And I believe (with the help of people that have used more than I have) that I can maintain properly balanced ratios on my bloods and gain benefits with the bare minimum of risk doing it THIS way/through TRT.
My natural production is a one way train to zero anyways. So what if I am 3 years early. Maybe 5 years early. I don’t believe I am early. I’ve been managing issues for 7-10 years through other medications such as cialis/viagra or all kinds of otc supplements/fat burners/energy and mood enhancers, marijuana etc.
In 2020 I quit my primary job, I stopped taking all supplements and took all the free time to try and rest/eat/dial in naturally and quite frankly evaluate my need for TRT or any other suitable products.
I came away realizing that my body has just hit a wall. And it’s time to take the risk (as defined by many) but what many see as risks, I view as a trade off.
Yes I will have to pin biweekly or whatever. Yes my natural production will crash and my testes will shrink, my hair might fall out even more and my cholesterol might fluctuate. But those are not death sentences to me. And if my natural production is crashing anyways. I might as well
Supplement it and structure it in the most manageable and healthy way for me to do it the rest of my life with the benefits I am clearly after.
I’m not walking into this blind. I just have a different perspective than most.
Then do it right, go to your endo doc, let him get you dialed in. Proper test's, proper dosage, proper monitoring and tweaking as needed.
If you say so man.
Lapiszx3What do you mean if I say so?
I’m 40. My natural production is absolutely in decline at the point.
I’m having low t symptoms (Ed, lack of sleep, fatigue, no sex drive, and a few others)
I’ve been a creature of habit all my life. I eat very clean/healthy and I have stayed active/worked out all of my life. I know and listen to my body well…and it’s just not working with me anymore.
Am I supposed to wait another 10 years to start trying to treat my underlying issues with a low dose of test and maybe one or two other compounds if needed/ideal for my circumstances?!?
I’m ok with pinning on the regular.
I’ve already lost all my hair so I don’t much care about shedding.
Not worried about having kids.
I’m not worried about living to 90 so much as I am worried about feeling the best I can during the last of my “prime” years. Aka I would rather feel great for the next 15-20 years if I lose 5 to 10 years later as a result of undue stressors placed on my body via trt or trt+. But I also don’t believe that the consequences on my health have to be that disastrous if I manage the TRT or TRT+ on the lowest end of the scale.
Which is really all I’m asking for.
Help me plan and understand the complications/complexity of using 100-125mg test E in conjunction with maybe 75-150mg of mast E. If that’s a terrible ratio…tell me why?!? What’s wrong with using mast e for 12-16 weeks or maybe even 20 at very low dosages in conjunction with test only TRT. From what I can tell it would help with ED and sex drive. It would help with AI. It offers cosmetic benefits as well such as muscle density, appearance and strength.
I feel like I’m coming at this very pragmatic and open and all I’m getting is flack from people and no actual opinions/answers/personal experiences etc.
Like what’s the point of asking for help from those that know more of those that know more simply brush me off----♂️
I feel like low T when I eat an absolute shit meal and a bag of candy lololololol
Lapiszx3Thanks for the proper response up top.
And yes eating like crap makes me even worse.
I eat 99% of my food for a year at home. All made by me. Average a 40/35/25 (protein,carb,fat) macro unless my body is screaming for extra carbs or i crush a jar of natty peanut butter --
I do drink (usually all or nothing though) and can confidently say that I frequently don’t consume alcohol for 4-5 weeks at a time and then have one good weekend with the boys or a girl that’s in town. But immediately get right back to the grind. So I don’t this this is playing with my levels that much on the whole.
I never eat candy/sweets. My idea of candy is peanut butter and an apple or banana.
RustyhookerEod is rediculous. Mast isnt trt. No bloods for proof. No dr.
Lapiszx3My guy. I said I’m getting ready to do this. Not that I’m already on it. I want to be PREPARED!
And yes. Mast isn’t TRT.
However it has properties that I am looking for. Specifically AI and ED.
So it’s a low dose to help with MY ISSUES.
Please don’t gaslight me for no reason when I am trying to PLAN a TRT + or whatever you want to call it.
It’s not a full fledged blast. It’s not exclusively TRT. But as we all know…people respond differently and have different needs. --
RustyhookerWheres your primary dr? Wheres bloods? Its not gaslight. Its facts. You convert to e2 highly...bloods? Or no ai on cycle? High bf? Health concerns?
Ser how it gets bigger...like it was...touched
Lapiszx3I don’t have a primary doctor. My line of work doesn’t provide health insurance. Im going to have to do this independently by going to a clinic and getting bloods done/adjust as I progress into this TRT+ or whatever.
I have no bloods now cause I haven’t started to take. And I don’t want to order a million things I don’t need. So I’d like to have a plan in place and everything on hand ready to go. (But would like to only have test and perhaps 1 or 2 more compounds. Mast and primo were the two that stood out to me. Based on what I have read.
I know I convert easily from when I used in college. It was a major concern for me and why I stopped. But I am hoping in my older age “some” things have calmed down and with doing much lower total dosage and a higher frequency of pinning I can keep the sides to a minimum.
The mast is my attempt at avoiding orals (liver health) while getting AI and ED benefits.
I am not a high BF. Likely no higher than 10-11% right now. And that will drop this summer as I run 5ks on the regular. Probably be 8-10% bf in 4 weeks or so as I am currently leaning out my diet and macros so I’m not as heavy for my runs.
No known health concerns. No family history of issues. My last full work up was 4-5 years ago and everything was great then.
RustyhookerMast doesnt reduce e2 sufficiently for everyone....back to bloods...lol.
As others jump in just know the clinics will give 2 shits about your overall health. Theyre there to just get paid. And its hugely expensive when they wont give real or proper advice. Daily folks come on here as you are and slready AT a clinics help only yo gind how effed they got. Not a joke or to disuade your ideas. Youre an adult and older. At least read a few hours and know whats real. Ive got posted blood forums with links. Thats the start. Find out if youre in range. Find out your full health for under 120$. If youre in healthy range and good blood health maybe start a test only cycke with proper pct. Baby steps...add some size but not permanent harm.
Click my avatar....my forums.
Lapiszx3Also…
I convert stupid easy.
100mg test e can get my nipples SPICY AF.
But I have low body fat. And my diet is really good.
40 m
160lbs
5’7-8
Never taken a year off from lifting since I was 13
Run a 6 minute mile pretty regularly
Body fat around 9-12% depending on what time of the year you catch me.
Diet is not perfect but it’s pretty darn good.