test cyp starting dose help?
I'm 50 yrs old with test levels of 109 and free test of 4.3. Even with levels this low, my doc wouldn't prescribe anything, neither would the urologist I was referred to. So I took matters into my own hands. I ordered test cyp 200 mgs. When it arrived I immediately popped 300 mgs on Mon. It is now Thurs and I'm tempted to pop at least another 100-150 mgs, to try and jumpstart my levels, but at the same time I don't want to do anything dangerous. I'm in a desperate situation, because my lack of natural test has caused me to lose jobs, and the job I'm about to take requires toting around an 80 lb. ladder all day, and I know with my levels being what they are right now, I may not be able to do it. And right now my recovery time from a rigorous day's work is about 3 days, meaning if I work hard one day I'm slush for the next three days. Can someone with knowledge or experience please give me some advice here as to whether I should just wait until Mon before jabbing again or if it would be ok to jab another 100-150 mg to jump start my levels? Thanks
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Irongames advice is spot on.
Good advice given. chances are youre gonna be fine from a double dose. People "front load" or take double the dose for their first doses when cycling. Youre obviously not cycling. Maybe this is bad advice but... id take the last jab.
Personally, it may be placebo but I think I feel my energy back after the first pin of Test cyp /test e.
I wake up the next morning feeling energized.
If my levels are depleted, if its been weeks since ive had my dose, I dose, and instead of feeling groggy the next morning, lethargic, im bright eyed, spring out of bed. Its night and day for me.
Id suggest... if youre beating your body up real bad... you must be getting exersize. Idk what your diet is like but the days youre recovering, get alot of protein in. Testosterone by itself is great but Testosterone plus adjusting your diet and exersize routine... that can change your life. Youre probably burning a ton of calories at work. Should adjust to whatever diet is gonna help you get/stay strong. If you want to see/feel results quicker.
If it was me id take that extra jab but im not a good example of proper aas use. But only if you have an AI on hand. The danger is really is you have a bad reaction, develop gyno very quick and dont have AI to combat it. Thats really the main thing ya gotta worry about. Bitch tits. Idk what the other dangers would be. Beside improper administration, bad gear etc.
I always want to take the minimum dose that will treat my low t symptoms. Ive found 100mg a week is enough. It puts me in thr high 400s which isnt high but my Dr doesnt want to prescribe me more.
I find that 150mg a week is my sweet spot. Puts me right at 1100. 50mg Mon/Wed/Fri.
Slow down man. TRT can be managed yourself if you know what you’re doing, have done the research and know all the potential side effects and how to mitigate them. You haven’t done any research and have no idea what you’re doing. At your age depending on if you have any other medical issues test can potentially be very dangerous.
But least you’re here asking questions now. 99% of people take somewhere between 75-200mg ew. The goal is to stay inside normal range which is around 1000 or less. Some guys get there on 75mg, others need 200. Most tend to end up between 100-160mg ew. You need regular bloodwork to dial in the dose and keep an eye on other bio markers that testosterone is known to effect. Smaller more frequent doses are typically better. Twice a week works for many people. I’d start at 150mg ew. Split into 2 75mg shots ew. Get bloodwork done after 5 full weeks. If you’re over 1000 lower it the dose, if you’re 700-1000 keep it at the 150. If you have to adjust the dose test again in 4 more weeks. Once you’re dialed on get blood work every 3-4 months for the first year. If things are stable then you can probably go to every 6 months..
Many people have issues with high hematocrit on TRT. Make sure you’re drinking a lot of water everyday day. A gallon is ideal. Normal hematocrit is up to 50 or 51. Things start getting dangerous over 54. Puts you at increased risk of blood clots, stroke, heart attack. Staying hydrated dilutes your blood and helps mitigate his. I find daily cardio helps keep it in normal range too.
You’ll also have to see how it affects your estrogen levels. Some guys need an AI like arimidex. Keep an eye on your blood pressure. TRT raises it for many people.
You’d be much better off doing this through a TRT clinic. Some take insurance, mine does so it costs me very little. Then you’re being monitored by someone who knows what they’re doing. In the mean time you need to start reading everything you can about TRT.
You’re already done a pretty substantial front load with that 300mg shot. I’d take 75mg today, then 75 every Monday Thursday going forward.
300mg and some percs. Take it easy but at least percs lower blood pressure lol. Even if you could afford a TRT clinic, dont waste your money. Sounds like your primary dont want to fuck with the pain pill mix and passed you to urologist and he dont want any either to do with it. Take the advice here and go your own way. Good advice here and plenty of good sources
75mg a week...1 subq pin....850 test levels.
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Dkoon211Wow you respond better than I do lol. I was doing 20mg daily for test to sit at 1500
Watch out if keeping levels in a cycle zone. What you can't see...can hurt you
Dkoon211I don't know what you mean
Lol, he said it pretty blatantly - but he means having supraphysiological levels of test year round can cause issues, basically telling you not to do it.
Yessir! @IronPlater +2
Your horomones should stabilize about 5 weeks after you start pinning consistently. That is when to go get your labs done.
Been on trt for 10yrs. 75mg a week keeps me in the 800s.
Sorry about that meant that for the OP.
Ahhhh! No worries:)
You’re at the high end of responders. 150mg ew puts me around 800. Pharm grade test from my local pharmacy.
Do they tell you to trash the 50mg that you dont use? They give me 4 1ML 200mg test cyp vials every 28 days. Single dose vials. They tell my to draw up 0.5 ml and throw the rest in the garbage lol.
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150mg a week would be plenty to get normal test levels and if that doesn't work you can go up to 200mg a week. I would split it up and pin it at least twice a week to keep levels more steady.
Something does not seem right, go find another doctor if he would not prescribe you TRT.
Ranger3252There is no way a urologist would not place you on TRT, unless you have other underlying health conditions, which I think you’re not telling us. If you don’t that is medical malpractice on your attending physician and I would file a complaint against that specialist immediately. However, you more than likely have something else precluding your doctor from prescribing TRT therapy.
But if you’re going to use UGL testosterone for TRT replacement post your other blood work that was taken along with your hormone panels. Blackout all PPPI information on the bloodwork and then we can give you the best advice possible. Clearly you have no idea what you’re doing. Blasting 300 mg on your first pin then we wanting to pin half that dose a few days later will have your hormones so messed. .75 every three days would be your ideal dosage. But, again I suspect you’re dealing with other health conditions as well.
Dkoon211They are trying to transify him.
Ranger3252I literally just snorted lol.
Holy shiit bro take it easy I would start out with 150 mg like others have said and wait because testosterone c is a long ester if you wanted to fill the effect fast you should have got testosterone p 100mg and jab yourself 50mg m/w/f cuz it seems you like to jab yourself good luck do some more research there's a lot of forms on here that will help you out and a lot of people on here that will help you out you just have to ask and slow down big guy you're sounding dangerous
Slow down bro. 150mg a week. M/f 75mg on each day. Run this a few weeks. Get bloods then ajust if needed.
Jesus man! Chill. Billy put it perfectly. Read and learn and do take it easy. Hormones are no joke. Even experienced guys don’t blast 300mg in one shot.
Feel like you’re on a rollercoaster? Don’t feel like yourself? It takes 2-4 months of careful dosing and labs to just begin to get an understanding of what’s happening in your body.
Start slow and titrate. Good luck.
Damn dude, just gonna be honest, that wasn’t smart!
You are going to jack your hormones all up.
TRT is like 100-150mg a week (usually). What are doing is more of a cycle and reckless at that. You need to do a lot of research! You’re going to spike your e2 and cause many more issues.
Find a new doctor or a TRT clinic.
Ok, then I guess the smartest thing to do would be to leave it alone for 10-14 days from this past Mon when I took my first dose, and get an AI inhibitor? I wish I could afford to go to a TRT clinic but due to having such low levels of natural test I have had a hard time keeping a job. I am currently unemployed and my landlord gave me two months to pack up and leave because they are selling the property where my wife and I have lived for 15 years. I had $500 in my bank account when I found a good deal on cypionate through this site. The reason for my low levels might be because a few years ago I was going through a UGL website that I found from a search engine and I was pumping 400-600 mgs/WK of a test blend @ 500 mgs and I never did post cycle therapy. I may have messed up my endocrinal system? My primary doc referred me to a urologist but the urologist wouldn't prescribe me TRT because I'm on a controlled substance pain medicine for a herniated disc in my neck and degenerative discs in my L2 L3 and L4 vertebrae. The urologist said it's most like the medicine causing the low test, even though I showed her through MyChart that my levels were as low before I started taking the pain medicine.
Also, after the 10-14 days after last jab, I should then drop to about 150 mgs starting out? I am going to follow up with the endocrinologist and let him/her know that I turned to UGL temporarily to get myself going again, but that I would rather have help from a professional rather than doing it myself blindly. Of course, I would never give any information as to how I obtained UGL product. I spent five years in prison for getting caught with 25 lbs. of marijuana back in 1997 when they treated weed like crack. What I'm saying is I could've easily walked free but I don't believe in telling. My supplier didn't get caught, I did, and it would take a really shitty person to put someone else away for a crime I got caught doing.
Split the dose up. Start with 50mg Mon/Wed/Fri. I know you say money is tight but getting blood work is essential.
All the above post are on it.
Split up your dose! At least twice a week. Start with no higher than 150mg a week. Get bloodwork after 4-6 weeks and adjust if needed.
You should get a lighter ladder.
Sorry, I don't know what that means.
+1 for lighter ladder.
Also like others have said horomones are a long game. Chill the fuck out and wait while they begin to work in your body.