Kinda my first cycle
So I’m 33 around 185-190lbs and am just starting back training again and I am looking for some pointers and advice. I want to build some lean mass and just get my physique back to where I’m happy with myself again for now…So I say kinda my first cycle because I did do one probably 10 years ago, I stacked Test, Dbol, and Tren for 10-12 weeks and blew up from like 185-180 to 225 benching 350. Which I thought was decent . That being said I had no idea wtf I was doing as far knowledge on the gear subject. I have pretty decent experience with training. This time around I definitely want to do it right and learn and set myself up for success not failure and harming myself. Now that’s out of the way, I’d like some advice I have been doing some research and one thing that sticks out and I kinda like the idea of is to just start out with a cycle of Test and go from there while I continue to learn and build my physique back but I’m not against running something else with it to help build the lean mass and “look ripped”! So which Test should I go with E, A, P, and dosage ? I’d like the one that kicks in right away? I didn’t run a PCT last time either or anything for estrogen and would like advice on that?
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Wow! Your first cycle was really hard 10 years ago. Testosterone cycle is definitely the best option to start
Helladrol 2nd cylce??? Good idea/bad idea?
And thoughts on deca/durabolin?
Wow this site is awesome! Thank so much for all the info guys!
Yes the people down below have you some good advice. Just start off with a test only cycle cuz your receptors are fresh. Ide say start off with test c cuz some people get bad pip with test e. And yeah 500mg is a decent dosage and run that for 12-16 weeks. If you want like Jake said you could take test prop for the first few weeks since it takes time for the test c/e to build up and take effect but that's completely up to you. And have your ai already in hand aromison/arimidex. And if you plan on stopping after the cycle make sure to have the pct already ready. Clomid and nolvadex. And you could possibly think about hcg also.
Hello @Killemall,
Winter comming so i think about :
Testosterone C or E 250-300mg / week
Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg / week
In extra Mesterolone 25 to 50mg daily for helping the side effect from Deca (if you have) and helping mentally and physically.
About PCT think about the long acting of deca, so start after 3/4 weeks minimum, depend your budget :
W 1-4 HCG 1000 ui's twice week
W 5-9 Clomid 50mg daily
or
W 5-9 HMG 75 ui's 3 x / week
Give a full blood work to check your value before starting any cycle.
All the best,
Take care (^_^)
First and foremost are you estro prone? Did you recognized the early signs?
If you are OK, pin Test P 50 to 100 EOD.
P will kick in by the second week, run it for 6 to 8 weeks.
PCT has changed over the years and multiple products can be run however I have always done the following after a P cycle and it has worked with the following cycle:
wait 4\5 days after last pin.
Clomid 150 first 2\3 days then do the following concentration weekly
Clomid - 100\50\25\25\12.5
Novaldex 40\40\20\20\10
After the above I run a powerful over the counter natural test booster with estro blocker for the another 4 weeks.
Aromasin can be added (1 to 2 weeks 12.5 then last 2 7.5) if you you are prone to water\estrogen issues, fortunately for me I don't hold water so I don't need this since I am not estro prone.
You mentioned you have done a stack so you should know if you are estro prone.....
Thanks for the breakdown man. No I don’t believe I had any issues, so I may not be estro prone either.
Please stop. Your narcissism is showing. If someone comes at you with "My first cycle" give them first cycle advise.
LOL Well I did read the entire thread, how is it narcistic? "Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others.[1][2]" end quote LOL
Maybe moderate the ones actually not giving advice and taking the piss LOL
Back to your question " If someone comes at you with "My first cycle" give them first cycle advise."
Question & Answer - "So which Test should I go with E, A, P, and dosage ?" Answered in second paragraph LOL
Question & Answer - "I didn’t run a PCT last time either or anything for estrogen and would like advice on that?' Answered in 3rd & 4th
5th just an assumption if prone to estro...
Now that is explained please clarify why you justified saying what you did, and if my vernacular rubs you the wrong way I will happily delete my comment on this thread......LOL
You like to hear yourself talk that is narcissism. Your answer (including this one) is focused on your knowledge and not the needs of the other. Your bloviating was unnecessarily over complicated and not right for him.
Anyone knows the most common tried and true first cycle is one compound, long ester, typically E or C, at 300mg or 500mg. The first cycle is for learning first, gains second.
Not relevant, he was in his early 20's prior, now he's in his early 30's. Body's change, metabolism changes. There's no way for him to know and it would be a mistake to blindly rely on an experience 10 years ago.
You're about a week early on starting PCT. I also wouldn't take an AI during cycle if it wasn't necessary. He'd also be less likely to need one if he ran a simple cycle with a modest dose.
LOL I can see where this conversation is going LOL
I guess you must be able telecommunicate from your computer if you think I like to hear myself talk, I don't recall talking about myself nor my experience....LOL
As for unnecessary chatter I recall he mentioned that he did run a stack in the past.....regardless of when he did it also title mentions "Kinda of" way different to "My First" and so my "unnecessary chatter" was catered towards him after all it is a forum, I don't live with the guy and have that special skill like you...LOL apologizes for the passive aggressive comment, but I had to give one back since it was dished out to me...LOL
He told a story about himself, I guess that is "kind of" narcissistic ....LOL (Apologize for passive aggressive)
Also someone mentioned on this thread to run HCG on a PCT. I guess that is "kind of" narcissistic LOL (Apologize for passive aggressive)
Also someone mentioned to start on prop and then jump onto C or E, I guess that is "kind of" narcissistic LOL (Apologize for passive aggressive)
Since we base all information of facts and not personal opinions LOL:
"Anyone knows the most common tried and true first cycle is one compound, long ester, typically E or C, at 300mg or 500mg. The first cycle is for learning first, gains second."
Not true, short esters have many benefits, if you do experience sides they are out your system before they do any damage, only downside is you have to pin EOD.
You forgot to mention when running long esters to take aromasin if you are estro prone
"Not relevant, he was in his early 20's prior, now he's in his early 30's. Body's change, metabolism changes. There's no way for him to know and it would be a mistake to blindly rely on an experience 10 years ago."
Of course its relevant, if he gets estro on a long ester cycle he will have a very nice lady chest........as you get older you are more prone to estro.....Fact your body loses test and raises estro levels....hence you lose muscle mass when you get old.
"You're about a week early on starting PCT. I also wouldn't take an AI during cycle if it wasn't necessary. He'd also be less likely to need one if he ran a simple cycle with a modest dose"
Yes on a long ester cycle, however short it is fine to start 5 days after last pin, which I mentioned when on P.
Again if estro prone , you wanna take an AI......this he has to figure out, from original thread paragraph 5.
Modest does is TRT and some guys still need it even at that....everyone is different.
Again everyone is different and I do agree your body does change, a recommended blueprint must be followed regardless of short or long ester.
Great discussion, but no need for the insults....
You write, you read, you verbalize internally. Hence, it is correct to say "hear". A written conversation is as an oral one. See what I mean? Oh wait, you can't see what I mean if I'm here and your there... or are we both in this forum? Are we talking about literal sight or the mind's eye? ...If you have to pull out a strawman argument over read and hear, you know you've already lost the point being made.
Short esters are good for those used to pinning, with several injection spots, not for someone new with virgin muscle.
He's 33, he did a cycle 10 years ago. you do the math.
WRONG, he's 10 years older. Was a kid; now an adult. Spin it how you'd like, but you assumed way too much. --The question is not relevant because he has no way of knowing -- so why ask?
Bottom line, the safest and easiest beginner cycle is a long ester, modest dose. AI on hand and PCT. You're great at giving out advice for more advanced cycles. Don't be so full of yourself that you can't dumb it down for someone starting out.
Lifted-presence92A lot of clinics are doing trt with a low dose of deca that would be a legit first cycle maybe like 300-400 test 100-300 deca a week
Well, you’re first cycle was an extreme cycle, not a kinda cycle. Stick around and listen to some advice before you leap into something like your last cycle.
My advice would be a straight Test cycle for 12 weeks. First four weeks Test Prop and Test E or C at 500mg per week, and the next eight weeks at 500mg of Test E or C alone. I think you’ll be happy with your progress, and it will give you an idea how your body responds to gear at this age.
So if I decide to run Prop and E or C at 500mg, that’s 500mg of each for the first 4 weeks. Correct?
No, LOL, absolutely not. Sorry I didn’t explain it better. If you decide to run what I’m suggesting, you would need to pin every other day for the first four weeks. 500mg combined per week, not of each because that would be 1000mg, and way too much for a first cycle. I would keep the Prop at 50mg per pin. After the four weks, the Teat E or C will start kicking in, so you can drop the prop and only have to pin twice per week. You can also decide to stick with the first protocol for the entire cycle, but after four weeks of pinning every other day, it will be a welcome change to only have to pin twice per week. It’s really up to you.
One more question man, so if pinning prop eod are you going to go eod like M W F basis or eod M W F Sun T W Thur Sat?
Got it, thanks for the reply!
@JakeKO @KMC .....500mg? What are you guys talking about lol?!! Nah I mentioned something around 300ish mg per week or so for first cycle but I can see 500mg/ week not being an issue if one is careful and also monitoring bloods. Also in my opinion, on first cycle there's no need to include toxic orals because we know good ole test is sufficient as long as diet, training and sleep are on point. Like I always tell these newbies, Rome wasn't built in a dang day. Be patient. Everyone seems to be in a damn rush to get swole nowadays. Personally I stick to my 70's cycles but to each their own. I wish this guy the best.
From what I always heard, correct me if I’m wrong, the first 250mg will only be replacing your natural testosterone that will be shut down, so the other 250mg will be the boost you to where you need to consider it a cycle. Keep in mind, it’s a first cycle. Down the road, once you’re well on your way to a better physique, I completely agree with you to keep the test lower. Sometimes I’ll go even lower than 300mg, although, I’m usually running some other stuff with it at the time. I’ve got about three more weeks before I cycle again. Can’t believe it’s been almost three months. I’ve definitely leaned out, and haven’t lost much strength at all. I’ve actually increased some of my workout weights. All I’ve been running is 175mg per week of a Test blend (E,C,P).along with 3iu of GH 6 days per week. Im not even sure what I want to run next, so I might just take an extra month off to really think about it.
I still think 500 is too much for a first cycle. 300/350mg is great but then again, I tend to favor running longer cycles anyway. Whatever is easier to manage sides. Once I cross over 400 mgs, I tend to have more sides as opposed to 300 mgs. We can’t forget, some of these compounds are overdosed anyway.
Hey man you might be right. And yeah regardless what dosage he runs, it's his first cycle so he'll grow anyways. But like I said brother 500 could be cool. And like you I'm not sure what my next cycle will be in the winter. I was going to use 3iu GH, but with that who knows. But I do know that this heat is killing my damn gains for sure....that I do know lol. And man I like how you utilize test E, C and P. Might have to steal that from you. Anyways keep on keepin on man.
I'll agree with 500mg/week (250mg x 2 /week), stick with Test E or Cyp, save the Prop for a later cycle.
Starting or, use the KISS principal.
Also, it is a marathon not a sprint, keep repeating the same cycle till the gains decrease, then add a 2nd compound.
HAVE YOUR PCT IN HAND BEFORE YOU START.