High estrogen
Hello,
Just would like to generate some talk on a subject. All I ask is that maybe we
Could respect each other enough to not get mad and stay mad.thank you. So Here’s what’s going on with me. I have been on cycle for 4 months now I’ll tell you exactly what k
450mg testosterone weekly
25mg provirion daily for 30 days
Maybe 20mg Nolvadex a couple times a week
Before I started this journey :
I weighed 265
6’0” tall
Much body fat
Fatigue, memory recall slow etc.
My bloods came back at total testosterone was 36
After 16 weeks of
400mg testosterone e
2x 30 day cycles of 25mg provirion daily
20mg nolvodex a couple times a week
My new bloods are:
Total testosterone 1500
Free testosterone 450
Estroidol/ estrogen is 94( very high)
I have basically no side effects yet that I know of
Maybe a good cry every now and then
I lost 25lbs from 265 to 239 , great!
I’m concerned about my estrogen levels though.
I hear ai’s will crash me as they are powerful
And will rebound when I stop taking them.
Should I add masteron to my cycle for 30 days or so for more gains?
And
What is safe for estrogen control should I be worried a lot? I don’t think I really have any side effects yet thank God.
I know I’m gonna get a mixed bag of responses and I really appreciate all of them. Thank you guys. hope to hear from you soon.
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
Dont need that much provi. Should have use real ai and not the serm. Guessing youre trt?? But yes, pull that estro down towards 30. Aro 12.5ed and retest in a week. Aro is suicidal and fast working
Estrogen adds bodyfat too
Medical news cited
Yes, high estrogen levels can be bad for men because they can cause health problems:
Infertility: High estrogen levels can lead to infertility.
Erectile dysfunction: High estrogen levels can cause erectile dysfunction.
Gynecomastia: High estrogen levels can cause breast enlargement, also known as gynecomastia.
Mood changes: High estrogen levels can cause mood swings, irritability, anxiety, and even depression.
Increased risk of other health problems: High estrogen levels for a long time can increase the risk of high blood pressure, blood clots, hypocalcemia (low calcium), and some types of cancer.
Type 2 diabetus, adds fat etc
https://www.novaivffertility.com/fertility-help/high-estrogen-symptoms-i...
Thank you for the advice solid
Hard to believe its exactly 1500 so maybe your test is capped and reads greater than 1500? If you arent feeling any estro sides then 95 isnt your high. It could be someone elses high but we are all not the same. If you do want to lower for testing but worried about tanking then .25 arimidex every 3 days to start off. .5 every other day may be a lot for you to start not knowing your body yet. I dont know if 95 estro is really negatively impacting your gains if you arent feeling any negatives. Estrogen and testosterone go hand in hand so i wont take an AI just because im producing estrogen but only to counter symptoms. TREAT THE SYMPTOMS NOT THE NUMBERS. Start low I say at .25 arimidex e3d then test.
Spot on. Treat the symptoms, not the numbers is some of the best advice regarding estrogen management. Everyone is different. I feel best when my estrogen is slightly higher than what would be considered normal.
When my estrogen is 75-80 my joints are properly watered and i feel stronger but thats me. I dont get anxiety, acne, low libido or super bloat just a little puffy nipples that 10mg of nolva handles so i can stay wet. A lot will disagree with this but its my body and you have to KNOW YOUR BODY if you are doing AAS.
It’s a test from Kaiser Permanente so possibly capped maybe I’ll just post it right now. Thank you for the advice. Very solid. Treat the symptoms not the numbers and as of right now I really don’t have symptoms. Very good. I came to the right place.
TREAT THE SYMPTOMS NOT THE NUMBERS.
Hes using a serm so if blocked theres no real sides but its still gonna cause underlying issue. Like cancer for one. Plus blocking with a serm which is great for blood clots
No, you are right with his weight estrogen can be a horrible thing. But he is already injecting cancer prone oils and fillers in his proviron. Should just stay natty and not injecting 400mg if he is scared of getting cancer. And not eat any foods out there lol
"TREAT THE SYMPTOMS NOT THE NUMBERS"
Thank you... exactly!!!
Thank you for taking your time. I will listen to what you’re saying once again thank you sir.
If your trying to gain and you have no estrogen side effects let it be. Estrogen will help u get bigger and stronger. It's not a bad thing. Don't take anything you don't need either for "pre cautionary measures" just keep the shit around if u need it. Anyone who tells u start taking this dose and at this week start taking this a.i. or serm. It's giving the worst advice you could ever get. Go look up Jay cutlet, Dave Palumbo, Evan centopani any to level guy who really knows their shit and has the success to prove it. Will give this advice. U think in the 70s they were taking a.i. or serm Def not. Arnold brought primo around but not everyone was using it they on test deca an dbol. So just look at them. Now u have these things so u can keep going longer than they did if you want. And u ever look at side effects for a.i. or experience them. I feel like the sides from a.i. hot flashes dick problems. Shit sucks. And with caber off subject. Serm not so much of at all as u know. Stick with nolva if its not broke why fix it. Take what people say into consideration. You are your own experiment only you know how u feel on what not Joe blow.
And if i were u i wouldn't take nolvadex at all if your not getting anything in your nipples. And Proviron is very similar to masteron. So keep that in mind. Your basically already on a low dose oral version of masteron. U have no body acne either no nipple soreness. Your probably good. Anyway
You gave me a lot of serious advice right there and that’s where I learned from. Thank you for taking your time for me. I feel great. It changed my life. Literally . Give me the balls to kick my girlfriend out and demand peace in my life. Total game changer.
Well first congratulations on your progress, u have got to b feeling much better all the way around... r u getting all ur protein in 24/7? Hitting the weights religiously? O t s all a piece of the puzzle... ok so your estrogen issue.... yes in my opinion 95 is getting up there but it's not ridiculously out of control. , I like to keep mine around 55 or 60... but u def don't want to flatline it which can easily happen especially with Femera...I would go with arimidex but would dose it low at maybe a half mg every other day for about 3 weeks then recheck ur E2 and see where ur at. U might want to consider testosterone propionate for next round this way u don't have to be worried about estrogen issues.. bcuz another thing u want to think about is arimidex is hard on your cholesterol.... so make sure your getting in your omega 3-6 ...Double up on them to keep your good cholesterol levels up and combat the negative affects of the A-dex. Keep it up the good progress
Yes sir after working 10 hour days, I hit the gym 4 to 5 times a week for at least an hour and a half sometimes two hours getting my cardio in and moderate weights high reps. I’m older now but it literally changed me. I can’t believe what I was missing. My diet has changed. I take it very serious. I’m eating Whole Foods and protein where I can get it. yes, no side effects on Estrogen treat the symptoms not the numbers makes so much sense to me. I will be pushing for that Beachbody this summer.
Sex drive is still up I mean up, so estrogen isn’t affecting that getting regular bloodwork from my provider maybe I need an uncap test but I got a pretty good couple test so far I will post so I’ll get some A dex for just in case, but I’m not trying to use any of that stuff if I don’t have to once again thank you for taking your time because I’m listening
Congrats on your progress! I personally wouldnt add another compound to combat estro. I’d lower the test to bring my estrogen down so I wouldnt have to add an AI. Id kept it simple as fuck. test between 150-200mg and add a glp like semaglutide, retatrutide, or trizepatide.
Diet and training are far more important then drugs.
Yes, sir, diet and training. I’m being consistent especially after 10 hour work days five days a week with low t there is no way I would have the motivation for this
I would consider lowering your testosterone dose. You jumped pretty deep in the water from the outset. You can lose weight and make gains at 175-250 mg per week. You would have less excess test to convert into estrogen - you're going to aromatize at a high clip due to the body fat so getting lean should be the priority. Nothing wrong with an AI just don't crash your estrogen. You'll need follow up bloodwork. Really, bloodwork is your friend when you're starting this journey. Get dialed in, know how X amount of testosterone makes you feel and how it converts to estrogen/dht. You can also add in some dim and calcium d glucarate - these are otc supplements that 'help cleanup' excess estrogen. I've used that combo in the past to keep my estrogen in the 70s as I was increasing my test dose.
Primobolan got my estrogen in rage, last time a 37, running it 1:1 with test as I'm what I believe to be a high converter into estrogen. Masteron is said to have similar effects but I haven't tried that.
I was in a similar camp though, never really had any estrogen side effects.
Lastly, do fasted cardio. At least 20 minutes, 30 is better obviously, most days of the week. You'll lose weight faster and help keep your heart in good shape especially if you continue to run higher does of test. Challenge yourself, set a goal and hit it hard.
Yes, sir, I am doing cardio and I like what you’re saying there I will bump it up even more. I am challenging myself for sure. I have never ran this optimal before and it’s pretty addicting.. I want to try to do in all my gains without going to steroids I think it’s possible because I’ve made huge progress already just on what I’m doing. I just basically bumped it up a little bit. I was taking 400 a week test mix from GK but I accidentally put a little extra in and just after that one time I just kept.. This form is so important to me when the right people are guiding so thank you
4 months and your blood levels are Total testosterone 1500 Free testosterone 450. That being said you should have made a lot more progress in 4 months. Not trying to knock you, however I’m on the outside looking in. To me a lot more progress should have been made. How’s your energy level?
Shop somewhere else.
You think so more progress? I know I want this overnight. I know it ain’t gonna happen though and I’m not really willing to start using steroids right now. I just wanna stick with the test because it’s changing me and it’s working. Energy level is pretty dang high because I wake up at three in the morning at work at four I get off at 2:30. I hit the gym at 3:30 till 530 or so so I must have high energy now I’m wondering if I should have had more gains by now if I’m doing something wrong, but I’m just gonna keep pushing eating healthy. Maybe I am not eating enough protein that’s possible. Let me look into that more. Thank you again.
Lmao i didn't even think of that 450mg and 1500? If it's not capped. That source should be capped. Lol
Yeah, maybe you guys are right maybe it isn’t 1500. It could be kept at 1500. I’ll post it. It’s from Kaiser so thank you.
Effin lmao brother!!
Agreed.
Take continuous bloods and think about using an AI over nolva a couple times a week if estro sides are getting to ya.
Much harder to judge without knowing if your diet/training is dialed in and only seeing a single bloodwork result.
Don’t let any of this make you lose motivation- all of our progress levels differ greatly. Keep heading in the right direction and continue to research.
I would not add in mast especially considering how long you’ve been on and guessing it’s first cycle. Mast is not super anabolic in the first place.
Smurf, dude I’ve seen your run. You’ve been on this before for a while now I think the last time, though you called me fat but it was true. I was fat. thank you for the advice. I’m right about almost you know somewhere between 450 and 500 mg of test. I’m splitting it so I’m doing it twice a week cause somebody told me to follow the half-life so I’m just pinning like 250 and then 250 I guess my question to you is should I add anything to it? Should I take a round of deck or something? I don’t know can I get where I wanna be just with testosterone? I wanna be 240 lien or semi lean, build up my chest, much more and my shoulders. I think I’m making good gains. But I’m not sure if it’s enough fast enough I just don’t know I seen in the comments that somebody said I should’ve been gaining more. Honestly it took at least eight weeks for that stuff to saturate my system. My testosterone was so low so I’m kind of been basically running an anabolic For like eight weeks now that it’s in my system
What’s your thoughts? Would you add anything thank you.
Ahhh I think I remember that conversation… know that everything I say is trying to promote harm reduction and ADD years to members lives- not take them away.
Apologies if that caused you any offense and/or hurt! I can be very blunt sometimes, but big props for admitting that I was right… as I said each of our progress levels are our OWN! That could be HUGE for some and little for others! If you’ve been the top picture for a long period of time I’d say it’s HUGE!
I just know you feel better.
What did you mean by my “run” though?
Yes brother you can get where you want to with only testosterone especially just starting!! Really you can do it with even lower doses than what you’re taking especially if side effects come into play. If I could go back and start over I would’ve only used testosterone for the first few YEARS!
If you felt long saturation times try to switch up esters and increase pinning frequency!
Say test prop or acetate ED pins or Sust. EOD.
I definitely recommend getting familiar and comfortable with all the Testosterone esters before moving along!
Maybe some Cardarine if still trying to slim up and really want to add something. Great for liver values and endurance I always take it when running things like tren/var and/or trying to shed a little weight. I always recommend lower doses of GH whether trying to recover, lose weight, or bulk. Stuff is so pricey & sought after for a reason. If you have ANY blood sugar issues do not even get close to it though- definitely research anything to the most throughout degree despite what anyone says for yourself.
You are much more level-headed than that “workout warrior” dude that was your buddy… don’t trust with this stuff to that extent unless they are a medical professional imo. You can gather info from multiple professionals and experienced users and formulate your own opinions/routine. Way better than having someone who thinks they know it all accidentally hurt ya.
Keep it going and continue to ask questions/learn!
The test number might be capped at 1500?