posted Fri, 09/08/2023 - 05:37
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I am looking to cycle for the first time, and am unsure if this is a good stack for a first time user, or what the amount should be pinned.
I have ,test sust , tren ace, and eq I was planning on running 1 big shot every 4 days what should each pin look like?
I am 37 in pretty good health 210 pounds and probably sitting below 15% body fat
I have done test and winny in the past for a short cycle with no bad reactions but that was almost ten years ago.
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It's as simple as 500mg test E or C. 10/12 weeks. Split the dose so 250mg mon 250mg Thursday.
You may not need to use adex or similar but buy it anyway cos we can't see what's around the corner.
And some tackle for your PCT however you wish to run it, read forum. Lots of quality advise.
Tren ace and EQ, what on earth was you thinking lol. Tren is a very advanced product, leave the shit alone, the hype you read is misplaced people mostly having no clue or the potential for real damage to one's bio system.
Stay safe and healthy, you have years to go
Stack test with test for dinner,Blood work beforehand as a snack, and take with water..
You should hang on to what you have for another time. Read the stickies here: https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/beginners-cycles
The first cycle should be simple: one compound, long ester, modest dose.
If I am reading it correctly you have Sustanon, Ace and then EQ.......
If you are going to do a stack like this you might as well run it properly LOL
If you have not had Estro issues then no need for Adex or aromasin.....
No Prolactin issues no need for caber.....
2Cents - Never buy sus...not a big fan you either get long or short.....
Looking at the products purchased it seems you wanna get bigger so in simple terms do the following (You have not provided how many vials etc so I will give a simple low down you can determine the amount you wanna do)
Run Sus throughout cycle (due mixed ester this should finish 2 weeks before last pin of Ace)
Run EQ this is pretty much Deca but long ester (this should finish same time as sus if not before so that you can run Ace)
Run Ace through remainder of cycle, sus will finish 2 weeks before your ace finishes - reason be it long ester will last 2 weeks, short ester of ace 4\5 days so you must time correctly.
For short ester - If you are gonna pin 3 days a week which a lot of guys do (I don't get this maybe GF is over, wifey is home or parents home LOL) plan 2.5 weeks out.
Run a proper PCT 4\5 days out from last Ace Pin
Good luck hope this helps
I hope you don't listen to this guy
Honestly trying to learn I had no issue’s my first run with Winnie and test and want to gain size but don’t want to screw my self up either.
If you were to give me advice on what to run with what I have and how to start and finish I would listen even if it is to not use something please help
Building muscle is all about diet, not about what compounds you run. 500mg/wk of test is really all you need until you start getting well above your natty potential. Then you can start adding in additional compounds which is often necessary to overcome myostatin. You can't build a foundation no matter what or how many drugs you take if your diet isn't on point. That means actually tracking macros/cals to ensure you have enough of the proper nutrients build that foundation. Just pissing in the wind otherwise. Steroids don't create muscle on their own. Food is what does that and if you don't give the steroids anything to work with they won't don't jack shit for you. I see all these questions about how much and what steroids to take but never any about diet, which is what really matters. If you can't build significant slabs with 500mg of test then your diet is off and it won't matter what or how much you take from there.
Hi are you not a fan of sust either?
Sust is actually ok, not sure why guys run from it. There's absolutely no need to pin it every day. However I wouldn't run it for a first cycle. Keep it simple.
I run it all the time but I sure the hell wouldn't touch it for a first cycle.
If this is your advice to someone for their first cycle then don't expect to be here next week.
If this is an issue then go ahead and delete what was said, if it offends everyone.
Unfortunately I cannot delete once published........
Vile: 2 ace 2sus 1eq
Thank you very much I think this is very helpful I will read this over and over
How much should I run in each pin if you were to give me that advice
It's not good advice, (just what you want to hear), you'll be more prone to acne and needing an ai during cycle. You have a half dozen esters you're trying to manage. Your T and E levels can be all over the place. Better to have one long ester 2x per week. Your levels will go up over the course of 6 weeks, and stay relatively level until the end of the cycle where it will taper down, at about 10 days after your last pin start PCT.
First cycle is: Keep it simple stupid (KISS) It's about learning, it's about seeing how your body reacts.
Yes true, but people are gonna do what they want to do.....You can clearly tell he is listening to his friends
You don't give some advice they will look elsewhere regardless....
True. People will do what they want to but it would be out of order for me or any veteran to encourage anything other than just testosterone for the first cycle for a newbie. Actually I'd say first few cycles. Not sure why I'm seeing dbol, tren etc listed among a newbie's first cycle. And if you really think about it, those substances I just listed will show sides even faster than testosterone in and of itself. So with that being said this member can listen and heed the warnings or...like an old friend of mine, just pay a heavy price for sprinting when he should of been taking his time and doing things right. It's his choice, I just try to remind guys that.
Agreed......I don't think I could say it any better.
Rather give advice instead of people try to figure it out for themselves and then hurt themselves in the process.
Like I mentioned not a big fan of sus never buy it.....better to go long or short....
It hits home a little different when you personally experience something that was uncalled for. Some guys are just reckless.
You must be popular at the 7to11 with the 15-year-olds when they ask if you'll buy them beer.
LOL I am not that poor LOL
Slow your role and layoff the funny juice.....LOL
I think you need to go back to basics also....LOL
Not that poor is your retort? That's sad if the simple point I was making went over your head.
If you want to give meathead advice, go to Juiced Muscle or a similar site.
Eroids is about safety. No one under 25 can join, cruising is frowned upon. Extreme cycles are discussed in member only groups lest some kid thinks it's a good Idea to take insane stacks and doses. We have a list of taboo topics. And yes, men of age who are starting out are encouraged to do it right, go slow, learn a lot. You're not helping.
500mg/wk Test e or c
We often see people suggest either 300mg/wk or 500mg/wk of Test E or C. I know you're considered one of the more educated on this topic, so I'm wondering if you say 500mg because part of that is replacing what our bodies was making anyways before we started? I read where someone was thinking about running 200-250mg/wk and people responded "if you're shutting down your natural test production you're basically just replacing that amount". Is that why you suggest a first timer go 500mg/wk of Test E or C?
500mg is a pretty standard dose and will likely be a good dose to use once you start stacking compounds so get your AI requirements figured out on the first go so you don't have to keep playing around with AI dosages. 300mg is running that fine line between whether an AI is necessary or not and can make dosing AI a bit tricky. 500mg and you will most likely need an AI so you can figure out your required dosage rather easily and utilize that info for future cycles. It is called a "cookie cutter' cycle for a reason. Follow a scripted recipe that the majority of people use so you know where you fall among the majority of people in terms of estro conversion, AI requirements, test levels etc. which can make diagnosing any issues easier. If you can't handle 500mg/wk then you probably shouldn't be running a cycle in the first place. If I am going to risk my HPTA to run a cycle I might as well put my test levels above 2500 rather than have them hovering around 1500 and get the most bang for my buck since the shutdown/risk is going to be the same.
10 years ago, you're starting from scratch. I wouldn't stack anything for the first cycle. Sust is more of an advanced compound as you have to pin ED/EOD. I'd just pick up some test C or E. Get at least a couple of test cycles in before stacking shit. Obviously you're in control here but in the long run it's best to start just basic.
Thank you for the feed back I was told test e has a tendency to create really bad acne on the back and legs have you had that experience
For me regardless of ester I get acne but not anything crazy. The ester itself isn't what causes acne. It's based on genetics and how your body converts test t estrogen. Some people are just more prone to get more acne than others. Test in general just gives you more oily skin. Adding other shit on top of it can cause drastically more acne.