posted Fri, 10/04/2024 - 10:30
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Just finishing up my first cycle. Everything went great 500mg test e a week. On my labs my test was 3k and estrogen was 108 but never had bad symptoms of high estro no gyno, no sensitive nipples, no exessive bloating, wasnt bitchy, wasn’t as hungry as I would like to have been but still ate good as I tacked on about 20lbs, since I wasn’t showing any symptoms I decided not to take an AI, yes I had aromasin on hand just in case.
Do you think I should’ve tried to combat the high estro anyways or leave it alone if no bad symptoms?
Looking at doing Dbol/test cycle next so would like to get some help with this as I know the dbol will only increase my chances of high estro symptoms.
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AK80How many times per week did you inject? I split my shots up into 3 times per week; Monday/Wednesday/Friday and it helps keep blood levels stable, no sides, lower estrogen, no AI, etc.
Twice a week.
If anything id throw in deca. Dbol takes my appetite away. Thumbs up on treating the symptoms not the numbers with your estro. Thats an advanced move right there
When dropped the dbol and just a cap of omnibol 25mg adrol 25mg dbol 10mg winstrol , I hit the appetite WALL and went from eating 4k of whatever macros to now having to drink sardines mixed with Mac noodles and olive oil,
It’s never been winstrol in the past so adrol @ 25mg pwo is smashing it this much? I’ve countered with the MK-677 and front loaded some eq laying around to bring it back up
Have you found that anadrol will kill the appetite?
Anadrol kills my appetite way more than DBol tabs do, ironic since it is given to patients in hospital to increase their appetite with the aim of also increasing bodyweight. Adrol does hit the liver in most people, pay no attention to a study saying it doesn't. However, Winstrol is also evil to the liver, one of the worst believe it or not. All in all you have 60mg of fairly toxic orals wrapped up in one tablet there which is a fair amount especially if you were to take 2 per day. Also remember that the quality of the oral tablet and fillers/binders play a MASSIVE part in whether you will keep a good appetite or not. In the early days I was using some really shit quality UGL tabs within 5 minutes of taking them I would often feel sick to the stomach for an hour afterwards, unable to eat anything. Its after some time in the game when you begin to realise which Labs produce great tablets that are easy to stomach everyday, and those who produce cheap shitty ones.
The amount of mg you take ED can play a big part also, if I take 30mg DBol ED then I have absolutely no issues in eating and still have a good appetite - once I increase that to 40mg ED it starts to diminish after 3 days. This is where getting some good tablets that will dissolve sublingually will help you as the full tablet is not going into the stomach and irritating the lining and also the liver.
The fiery breath “DP” tablets I bite once and let them dissolve mostly under the tongue, then I could take a the omnibol cap and pour in under the tongue, never thought of this
You’re the master oral of his craft your loinnesss
A Good Oral is always a pleasure to find, but is never quite as enticing or as usable long term as a good rectal discovery.
If you had no symptoms I would have left it alone. Around 108 is where i start to get funny nip feeling. But if you don't have any of that Id leave it alone. Introducing more drugs to your system isn't necessary.
Im not a fan of dBol. Feel like little to none of the gains you will keep.
I would hit the Test again for another cycle or two. I know thats not the "fun" answer you wanted to hear but stick with Test for the next cycle or two. I mean you had good progress with the Test why add more to it?
Appreciate the feedback! I’ve definitely considered just sticking to test, was just worried my second results on test only cycle wouldn’t be as positive and adding small dosage of dbol to kick it off would possibly produce better results. I’m going to stay off for a few months and really push the diet to be better so suppose I have a little time to really think about it.
Test/Deca is estrogen city. I added it and ended up dropping it from my TRT+ protocol for a couple of reasons. High estrogen, bloat and increased blood pressure. I wouldn't necessarily dissuade from trying it out though. The joint lubricating benefits alone are a reason to add a bit to a cycle, if that's an issue. Sticking with test only right now is probably the play. However, adding in some primo is a really nice addition if you want to get some more milligrams of anabolics in there. It has the added benefit of lowering estrogen for many guys as well. Running Test/Primo at a 1:1 ratio brought my estrogen into range.
Welcome to the community btw. If you have some progress pictures post'em up. Post your bloodwork too, helps everybody.