-1 D-bol and D-pression?
I’ve been running 25mg dbol and 300mg test e for a couple weeks now and it’s nothing like my last cycle. Last cycle was 300 test and it gave me a god-complex. I felt like I was gods gift to women and just horny af all the time. I was super happy with my physique even though it wasn’t THAT great looking back.
Now it feels like I’m in a funk. I have no problems getting an erection but I have zero sex drive. My buddies are always trying to get me to go out with them and these fine women they pull and I’m just like “eh, not really in the mood.” Definitely don’t have a god-complex this time and my physique is kind of disappointing even though I’m already seeing serious strength and mass gains.
Since I’m running the same batch and dose of test e as last time and this is my first time running dbol, I’m wondering if that’s what it is? Has anyone else experienced something like this?
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TimKaargenThat was exactly how I felt on my D-bol cycle, i stopped half way through
I didn't want to stop because I wanted to get a full experience of the compound. The size and strength gains are siiiick but I've decided I'm not really a fan. I'm gonna stop it after 4 weeks I think instead of going 5 or 6 like I initially planned. That's why I'm experimenting, to find out what I like and what works for/with me.
Throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks without any bloodwork. Could be high/fluctuating estro from dbol, stress, diet, sleep, lack of sun this time of year, just about anything. If you are really worried about it then getting bloodwork now is your only feasible alternative. Dbol gives most poeple a euphoric feeling.
All you can do is lead a horse to water, can't make it drink. Bloods are step 1! Not sure why folks can't understand that. Also folks tend to forget that dbol converts into an estrogen that's arguably more powerful than E2.
Bloods were literally the first thing I took care of...smh
So you didn't mention that at first..smh
At least a couple times I've mentioned already having my bloods planned out: before, halfway, and after pct. Seems like no one read those comments.
I get it would be ideal to get more tests done but its just not feasible right now. If your advice is I shouldnt be running them then, then maybe there needs to be a pinned post saying dont run steroids if you cant afford $1000 a cycle lol
I just simply wanted to know if these experiences were normal. If yes, fine I can handle them. If not, well then I know what to do. Dbol comes with high E levels and to combat high E theres AIs. I have all that.
The initial advice was good and sound and then it just turned in to people berating me for not getting bloodwork (which I am). After that, no one wanted to listen, I'm just another irresponsible, broccoli-head who's deadset on fucking himself up. Nvm the fact I set up bloodwork first, made sure I had AIs first, and the dosage I came up with was based on several different forums and website I read prior.
see this is what I'm saying though, in your intro at top there is no mention of bloods, but after the fact you mentioned getting bloods. My intial bloods comment was made before you mentioned getting bloods. I saw bloods comments later. So to avoid folks coming at you every which way next time mention bloods off the top.
Literally the first comment I made (and several after that) was about bloodwork...
I got kind of testy (pun intended) after awhile because I got tired of repeating myself.
Lots of people say they dont like dbol so I halfway thought it was supposed to make you feel like shit. Thats why I asked more experienced users. Once I realized thats not how it should feel, it became apparently bloodwork was necessary, hence why it didn't seem necessary to mention in the original post.
@Diesel77 ^
Sleep and diet are fine. Could potentially be the weather but I take Vit D for that.
Im not experienced with this particular compound so thats why I asked, as I know different ones can produce different feelings. Maybe thats normal for this compound, maybe not. Finding out was the first step. Seems like the consensus is dbol should not make me depressed, which leads me to believe it has to do with E levels.
You're right, I don't know this for a fact and bloodtests would be the best way to determine that. However I'm not currently in a position to spend $400+ on bloodwork for this cycle and its not like the sides are unbearable. I don't see why just lowering my dose and taking anti-Es here and there would be a bad idea. But of course if unwanted side effects continue or get worse then bloods would be the next step.
Facts. I tried telling OP this, but apparently his issue didn't warrant a $100 blood work as response..SMH..he mentions in his reply to me that "depression isn't problematic" I personally prefer to be proactive as opposed to reactive....to each his own though.
Sorry I cant afford bloodwork every 2 weeks eye roll
Again, simply lowering the dose seemed to do the trick as I feel a lot better. Its only been a couple days. Even if I scheduled bloodwork, it would take several days to a week to even know whats going on. AGAIN, if effects persist, then I have no quarrels with more bloodwork (than I'm already getting).
It's not like I'm all "boohoo I wanna kill myself" depressed, I just noticed it wasn't as euphoric this time. Not really affecting my gains or daily life. I could've just rode it out and let it become problematic down the road but I felt getting more experienced opinions first would be the proactive response.
Thank you all for the advice, it has not fallen on deaf ears, no need to start with the condescending responses thought.
I'll say this and I guarantee any veteran will back this up, if you can't or won't get bloodwork that's affordable then you might not want to run any gear man. Now if you don't want to take note and apply what you've been told then that's on you. And honestly man I wouldn't of run dbol if I weren't familiar with it. Dbol aint no light in da ass compound. Hope you get it figured out soon man.
How do you become familiar with something without being familiar with it? We all started somewhere right?
I hear ya
I spent $300 on bloods BEFORE I even had my gear in hand. I'm not saying I wont do it, I'm just saying I cant afford a 4th right now. I didnt foresee losing my job after I started the cycle. I have bloods scheduled in a few weeks so well know whats going on then, in the mean time ill have to do other things to combat these (while annoying, not unbearable life-shattering) sides like lower my dose and take AI
Who said anything about getting it every 2 weeks lol. You yourself wrote up top that "I am in a funk and have zero sex drive" "My buddies are always trying to get me to go out with them and these fine women they pull and I’m just like “eh, not really in the mood.” Definitely don’t have a god-complex"....eye roll.....dont downplay it by claiming it's only the lack of euphoria, you forgot the other details you specified up top.
SO it IS affecting your daily life...cut the denial and you mentioning you can't afford blood work..ok...understandable.
Whatever you need to tell yourself, I won't be losing any sleep either way. I'm not in a funk, my sex drive is great and I feel good ...take care regardless and happy new year.
How often are you taking the D-bol?
Could be that because you are spiking your test levels; Estrogen levels will rise to try and equal things out, then the d-bol (3-6 hr half-life) drops your test levels leaving you with periods of higher estrogen.
Test e has a long half-life. After a couple of weeks your levels are practically level. Tossing in the d-bol you are creating small spikes of test. if you're taking 25mg (for the first time) once a day you're creating a larger spike which fairly quickly drops to your more stable test E levels. Your estrogen levels also rise. Try splitting your d-bol dose to twice a day. Or cut it to 10mg once a day.
Better yet, drop the d-bol altogether and up your test slightly
I was splitting the 25mg into 3 doses over the course of the day. I took a little AI and nolva and dropped my dose down to ~12.5mg but only once a day. I'd have to start volumetric dosing if I wanted to break the pills into even smaller pieces lol
Just a recap....you're currently on testE and dbol. You have previously ran the same brand/batch of testE in the past and gotten great results and gave you "God complex". This cycle is same test e as last, with addition of dbol. You feel depressed and are in a "funk" process of elimination...would pinpoint the dbol as culprit and not test e as you thought and mentioned. Same batch/brand/dose of testE as last the only difference is dbol. Getting blood is only definitive way to determine, but speaking from experiece of having used both compounds in the past, I would bet It's the dbol causing depression issues man. It's the only new factor in this equation.
Highly suggest getting blood work so you aren't guessing and doing target practice in the pitch black dark night. Are you against getting blood work done or something? It's really cheap compared to cost of gear/ancillaries, at $100 per blood work...it is a bargain. Science is available to help pinpoint issue, use it to your advantage and skip the guessing game. You can go through a private lab and keep info confidential to where it will not affect insurance coverage if that is the issue. Good luck regardless and happy holidays.
I am doing blood work. Before cycle, halfway, and after pct are already scheduled. I had a feeling it had to do with E levels but since I'm still new to AASs and DBol in particular I figured I would ask more experienced users here.
Advice given to me was drop the dosage (which can't hurt) so that was my first step. I also took a little AI and nolva since I have plenty. It's still early in the cycle and the depression wasn't PROBLEMATIC per se, just something I noticed. If it continues or gets worse, I'll definitely get bloodwork done but as of right now the issue doesn't seem to warrant a $100 response lol. It's only been a couple days and I already feel a little more pep in my step. I think this is still Week 2 of the cycle
Goodnight guys! 1:30am here and I have another whole day of Christmas/Family Dinner tomorrow as well. Catch ya tomorrow
17 methyl estradiol is the form of estrogen that aromatase enzyme converts Dbol to. This form of estrogen is very potent. Some have reported depression but not many. We all are different and our bodies react differently. BLOODS!
It has to be something to do with the DBol if you were fine last cycle without it. Also, some guys feel great on Dbol and others simply do not tolerate it well - the same goes for Adrol. I feel rough on Adrol but others feel great. Then there is the factor of the Lab that makes the stuff you are using - I'll tell you for a fact that some feel simply awesome to run and you'll feel euphoric for no reason, where as others just feel depressing and have a crappy feeling to them. So there are a few variables here, the more experience you have of the compound the more you would know if its your tolerability or the Lab in question.
Seems like E is the likely culprit. I’ve been kinda moody lately but was unsure because I’m not getting other sides typically associated with dbol like loss of appetite or bloating. This is my first time running dbol. You can do all the research in the world and it’s still not going to prepare you 100% without firsthand experience of the compound
The appetite loss I would say is more down to the tablets irritating the stomach lining and causing excess acid in there not the compound as such, if you try the injectable version you get zero appetite loss. In fact it is a great appetite stimulator I find. I have always found the stomach bloating side is down to shitty fillers in the tablets that the lab tends to use.
I’ve actually noticed that whenever I run 10mg pills I feel great, but the 20 or 50mg make me feel like I’m on Anadrol, all edgy and shit. I almost feel like 10mg at a time, even 5 times per day feels better for me. My brain and body just doesn’t like more than 10mg at a time. I even get a pukey feeling from the higher doses sometimes. Back in the day, Dbol was only offered in 5 or 10 mg. Maybe there was a reason for that.
GunShow22inWith all orals a game changer for me has been splitting the dose into tiny doses and taking 3-4 times a day despite some having long half lives. I went from having tons of sides, to feeling great and steady all day with everything including anadrol.
I talked to a few old school guys and they always said that dbol today feels alot different than dbol they used back in the 70's. Strange but maybe so.
My old ass was one of those guys. When I was 17, I tried Dbol for the first time. I remember them being 5 mg, and we’re blue. I also remember them being either heart or star shaped. After two weeks of one pill per day, I could literally stand in the mirror and flex for a few minutes, and get totally pumped up as if I had just had a full workout. Not sure if it was all due to the lower dosage, or just better quality stuff. I always thought it was because I was so young and new to AAS. I also remember have trouble getting hard ons for about a month post cycle. Scary shit at the time. We were all too dumb to know about PCT or needing to pin test with it. By the time I learned about Syntex Anadrol 50’s, we knew we had to run test with it. That Anadrol was like the miracle drug at the time. I’ve never had Anadrol work so well with any other brand . I just blamed it on being older.
If you search good you can still find the blue hart pills
I think those blue 5mg dbol you took were the real deal and there might be some validity to what those 70's guys were telling me.
Years back I had some of those 5mg Anabol hexagon pills that were kinda pink that came in the white and orange plastic cylinder lol Think the most I ever took was 5 so 25mg and they worked great. Do you not think also that because many of us tried those 5mg during our early cycle days that because our receptors were so much fresher and responsive to gear that it also made the tablets feel so much stronger and more effective? Our tolerance definitely builds over the years too to handle more.
I’m starting to think maybe we’ve all just been overdosing it because they are available in higher doses and heard how Arnold popped them like tick tacs. I did not have the money at 17 years old to afford to take more than one per day. Not to mention, we bought them from our football coach and we’re only allowed to buy one bottle of 100 5mg pills for $100 during football season. We almost won the State Championship that year. Just about every senior on my team was on them at the time. What a different world back then . That was 1988
Lmao...love this comment man...love it! 88 I heard was the year all highschool kids used. I was basically a youngster
Lol damn I thought you were a youngster! So yea you already know! Sounds like you had the real deal. I still can't figure out the better dbol back in the day argument lol. I think it was maybe just better quality and purity back in day. And as far as Anadrol hell noo, that stuff gave me the worst headache ever and destroyed my appetite. Felt like trash too. Didn't last a week at 25mg a day.
Nah, I’m 52, but if you saw me, I can pass for around 35. God bless HGH, Lol! If anything at all, my run this year definitely made me look much younger. People at work asking me ifm doing Botox. I just tell them I stopped drinking, which I pretty much did anyway. Started becoming a problem after Covid hit. A lot healthier these days.
I know exactly what you are saying about the different sized tablets, I get that same feeling too! lol The 10mg ones always feel great, but the 50's have an anadrol feel to them with zero euphoria. The 20's never feel that great either. 50mg pre workout I always feel is too much, 30 to 40mg feels the best. Thing is when training both the Dbol and lifting are BOTH depleting your carb and glycogen stores so you really have to keep on top of glucose during training otherwise the hypo feeling can creep in.
After hearing all this I will never run it over 10mg at a time. I actually stopped using it because I feel my last couple runs had me looking sloppy, and basically ruined all the progress I had made prior to running it.
Do you run it preworkout? If only 10mg might as well
Last time I ran it was this past Jun/July. I bought 50mg pills because I figured I could just take one pre workout and not have to take another one for the rest of the day. Then I started taking two a day because I had enough, so why not. Well, about week four, we had a 4th of July party., and my wife snapped a bunch of pictures of us and some friends in the pool. Later on when she showed me the pics, I realized that I looked like a huge, moon faced piece of sloppy shit. All those months of breaking my ass ass working out hard were down the toilet. I got depressed really quick and started dieting drastically, all wrong and shit, but I was desperate, and just wanted my old body back. That’s when I finally decided to create a screen name on Eroids so I could start asking questions, instead of just reading about other peoples questions. That’s when I found out about the promos, and was like this is awesome! Then I learned more drugs wasn’t the answer. Diet and training are. I’m finally seeing major progress, and very grateful to all of you who made me wake up and realize I was doing it all wrong this whole time. Less is definitely more in this game
Lol pics put everything into perspective
Man I'm glad you are here bro learning and you seem to be on the right path now, unlike alot of guys who think more drugs are the key. I don't know Jake I've always been different in my mindset of getting the most out of the least amount used. This has worked for me regardless if my dosages are 70"s like lol. I'll keep my dosages there too. I've seen plenty of guys on here make gains and then become reckless trying to obtain more gains. My thing is get gains safely and get out! This is a marathon not a sprint.
Thanks, Bro! Think I reached my upvote limit because it’s not letting me like anyones comments again. Happened to me this morning as well, LOL
Ohh yeah!! On 100mg Dbol tabs per day you will definitely resemble a powerlifter facially LMAO All red faced and cheeked with a nice round head, its one of the things I dislike about the compound but I've just got use to it if you want to run it.
My dumb ass thought I was ready to run Dbol after six months of HGH, Test, Tren. I was just starting to show some decent abs. The Dbol flushed it all down the toilet. Spent the next six months just trying to get back to where I was. Talk about depression. FML
With Dbol bud you have to view it purely as a bulking and strength steroid, when you think about it, its the only steroid that was designed to increase performance. Anadrol and Halo, all those other ones were created to help injured patients etc. Dbol is never going to produce a lean and well sculpted physique - its going to create a big water & glycogen filled bag of muscle LOL Starting off as a very skinny ectomorph all I ever wanted to be was big in my clothes and strong when lifting so it works wonders for me, but if you are after a lean low BF physique then things like Anavar and winstrol are always going to be way better.
Yep back in the 60-70's Ciba Pharmaceutical Dbol was 5mg a tab and most bodybuilders back then took 15mg a day.
I’ve been spacing it out over 2-3 doses a day….but they were 50mg pills, so trying to split half of that into 1/3s can be tricky and not always consistent. Usually I end up licking a pile of powder off my hand lol