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So I'm 26. 5'9" I fluctuate between 145-155. I don't workout anymore but I have for a few months at a time in the past and got better results than expected to but never anything crazy. I'm pretty sure I have low T and have been for most of my adult life if not all. I want to get to around 185-200. I've done a little research the past few days and making that weight naturally and lean would take quite a while. I want to run a couple cycles of test but don't want to go on for too long because recently have been having talks of children with the wifey. How long should I workout naturally before starting on a just test cyp cycle? I know most people, at least the ones who post about it, have been working out and dieting hard for years before and I don't fit that criteria. If I started a bulk diet and workout plan and stuck with it for a couple months to get back in shape could I run a cycle without any crazy issues? I'm not trying to get super jacked but I want to put on some beef. I was 165ish a year and a half ago and depression and other things lead to losing the weight. Would like to get a headstart if I can. Anyways thanks for the advice and or insults. As long as I learn something it's a win in my book. Appreciate

Juicer80's picture

I think right now you have PLENTY of gains to make just putting back in order your diet, training and overall lifestyle.

Jockstrap's picture

Hunting for yolo with no proof. Get bloods and your Dr involved

G-Baby2397's picture

Going private on the blood work.

Jockstrap's picture

Good to hear!!!! Thank you for listening

Christophany's picture

When I was younger, I had a very active lifestyle and fast metabolism... My weight was what your current weight is now. Speaking from personal experience, there are several things I did wrong that hindered my ability to pack on any real size: 1) I did not eat properly - e.g., I did not consume enough calories, spread 6 meals throughout the day, nor did I consume enough carbohydrates, 2) I did not train as hard as I thought. I would lift light-to-moderate weight for innumerable reps and sets. While I got a good pump in the gym, I was not stimulating my muscle fibers to the extent I thought I was so that they would grow and, 3) I did not have a thoughtful exercise regiment that I adhered to on a consistent basis. I read a lot of bullshit fitness magazine articles, and my training suffered a lot because I was always changing my routine.

My advice would be to track your calories. You can find out how many you need to consume, in addition to the macro ratio, by using a TDEE calculator (which can be found using a Google search). Also, make sure you are lifting heavy. You want to lift so heavy that you cannot rep the weight more than 6-10 times per set with the exception being back and legs. Back and legs are larger muscle groups, and they can support heavier weight and in a rep range of 12-15 per set. Lastly, stick with a routine. Have a plan of what specific muscle groups you are going to target each workout, what exercises you are going to perform before you even walk into the gym, and dial in your focus on every single rep you pump out. Squeeze on the concentric and slowly lower during the eccentric portion of the exercise for 4-5 seconds.

Bro, consistency is the key. As long as you stick with the routine, you will see progress in the mirror. If you are still worried that you may have low testosterone levels, just get a hormone panel to find out for sure. Unless your levels are below the low spectrum of what is considered to be normal range, you would be wise to not even consider hopping on the sauce at your weight. I think you have a lot of natural potential left in you before you decide to pull the trigger on using exogenous hormones.

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SeeOhShow's picture

Have your family first then establish a proper routine of eating/lifting and then consider getting on gear. If you already work out and diet inconsistently now, then I promise that shit will get worse once little ones are introduced to the picture.

You will also be sorely disappointed in just how little gear makes a difference if you don’t train and eat properly. Don’t listen to the mainstream media hype/bs about steroid usage and how it can transform anyone into a Greek statue. I know plenty of guys who take gear and look like a bag of milk.

I qualified for medical trt and my Urologist said to try and have my family first instead of putting me on trt and then trying to get my nuts to work when the time came for kids down the road. That’s the difference between a doctor who’s looking after your health and these pop-up trt clinics who would sell test to a goddamn toddler if they came in complaining of low T symptoms. The clinic doesn’t give a shit about your actual health or life plans. You might have a child and realize you don’t give a shit about going to the gym and putting in the time/effort to get big because you’d rather spend all the spare time you have with your child. I can say for a fact there’s not a thing in this world I wouldn’t give up for my daughter, including my gym time. I’m just blessed to have the time to be with her and lift. Plus she works out with me now anyways.

This isn’t a sprint man. If it takes you 2 years to get where you want to weigh, then so be it. Go at a pace that’s dictated by your life circumstances. If you get on a path that’s unsustainable for you, then you’ll never reach the goals you have for yourself.

Christophany's picture

You made a lot of good points, especially about kids being the most important thing in life. Nothing should come before one's children - not even gym time!

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Catalyst's picture

Reality is mate if you did run gear without getting your training and diet consistent, you won’t hold onto it. It’ll fall off you soon after stopping the cycle, so as much as it’s not what you want to hear, it’ll save you the frustration you’d have if you did go ahead prematurely.

G-Baby2397's picture

Oh I've got no misconception about that. I don't have first hand experience or know really anything but that's a point that's been explained to a t just about everywhere I looked. Now with that being said. Say I did fuck around and do a 16 week test cyp cycle on a bulk diet and then a successful PCT. If I quit dieting and not working out so hard and lost almost all of my gains, would the "muscle memory" be there so if I went to try again later I would reach that previous level quicker?

Catalyst's picture

I’d say highly unlikely.

ONESICK's picture

If you can't train and gain naturally, you will 100% not get anything from steroids. You still have to do the work and not just casually. You have to go harder than naturally. Just being honest. It takes a lot of discipline. Don't rely on motivation because motivation is BS. Whether you want to work out or not, be disciplined to work out anyway.

simonmagus84's picture

Working out and exercising should be part of your everyday routine. There’s no reason at your age why you can’t fix your testosterone naturally by abstaining from certain foods, alcohol and other substances that may hinder your test levels. I rose mine naturally when I started going organic, ate more vegetables and gave up stimulants and alcohol all together. I only started blast and cruising or trt recently in my early 40s. When trying to conceive a child, I was natural for years working out on a consistent basis and having good life habits. Working out also raises testosterone. Make it a health habit and watch everything else Improve. Not many people here even touch AAS until they hit their natural peak. You have to work out for a few years consistently and watch the gradual gains.

Consider this as well, what happens if you do choose to cycle and have you thought about what happens when you come off? Your body never experienced long term consistency with training so you won’t believe you can naturally depend on your will to keep going. You’ll most likely only train when you cycle and only want to put in the work when you cycle which is why I’m against anyone doing it until they’ve reached their natural limits.

G-Baby2397's picture

My adult body hasn't experienced long term training for sure. I played sports whole life until graduating highschool. I'm definitely going to start my training and figuring out my diet beforehand and get some blood labs. But if I'm already low t and still am in a few months I'm probably gonna get put on TRT anyway right? Or Clomid maybe for fertility?

simonmagus84's picture

Depends on what levels come back. I’ve been as low as 200 then got them retested a year later and was around 670.

G-Baby2397's picture

That's what's up. Anything specific to boost t? Or just a clean diet and being active?

simonmagus84's picture

Proper sleep, nutrition meaning incorporating quality foods, abstaining from processed foods and research the circadian rhythm the catalyst to health.

wanted's picture

Being lazy and depressed doesnt have to mean (low t)
Could be shitty diet, diet And foods can change your energy levels throughout the day

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Christophany's picture

Excellent point!

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G-Baby2397's picture

Yeah I know man. Just looking back at life and how when me and my peers were coming into puberty I was like last in line. Was always smaller and weaker than everybody even though I was doing the same shit in athletics they were. I had to actually workout out extracurricular hard ass fuck for a long time to get where a lot of guys were from just the sports workouts. I imagine it's only getting worse with aging and not staying on top my health. I'm gonna get my food and exercise going for a good minute before I do get the labs. I gotta feeling they'll put me on TRT anyways.

wanted's picture

Get that diet set up man. Your gona need it even if you get trt. Goodluck make a lost about your new diet and some of these guys can help ya out

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G-Baby2397's picture

You have a good one as well man, thank you

Sackbird's picture

I had to come off TRT for a whole year before my wife got pregnant again. We had almost given up and then it happened one day. And many men are not even that lucky. If a family is your priority (which sounds like a great priority) I would wait to run anything. Even if you do decide to run anything, working out for a few months then stopping won’t do you much justice for long. The gains will leave as quickly as they came. Your results will be much better if you reach your max potential naturally first anyway as @robb has already stated. Best of luck brother.

robb's picture

You need to get consistent with your training first. A few months here and their are no good and will lead to frustration and quitting.

I'd just train naturally till you reach your natural ceiling, in the long term it will suit you better.

If you can train for a few months and get better results than you expected, what do you think the outcome would be if you kept it up for a year, two years?

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G-Baby2397's picture

I hear you and I know. Just honestly don't want to go hard at it for two years to get where I could be in 6 months. Just being impatient

V0411's picture

Steroids aren't magic, yes the can speed the process up but it still takes a lot of dedication and time. People don't just train consistently to plateu then start juice but consistency over time will put your mind and body where you need to stay dedicated for a cycle. I would train naturally for a while, I'm 26 but I've been lifting consistently since I was 19, well I've had a few months off all together due to injury, surgery, going homeless etc but I hit my limit then decided to juice after saying I never would lol. Also BLOOD WORK. If your worried about your test levels get bloodwork, you should anyways before starting a cycle. Definitely hold off until baby making is done. My lady and I aren't interested in having children really so I'm not as worried but you can always get a test done to see how potent your baby gravy is.

G-Baby2397's picture

Definitely going to get some labs done. Want to get back in the gym and eating right first assuming that'll help me exponentially in that department. As far as baby gravy tbh man I've been too fucking scared to find out lmao. I'll end up getting that test too at that same time though and see. I guess I'm having a almost 30 so my life's over moment or something. It's stupid but got this obsession to be jacked quick as I can so I won't still be a little guy when/if my child gets here. I mean muscles don't win fights and I gotta pocket rocket anyway but I'd feel like a more capable protector of my family if weighed 185. I'm too easy to be picked up rn lmao

V0411's picture

I completely understand. I'll be 27 in April, the need to look jacked and have that extra bit of confidence. I am at a halt right now, gotta have surgery for a heart condition I was born with but after I'll be back hard, patience is something our generation and newer ones lack that's why you see all these new guys asking about tren doses and stuff. Self discipline and knowledge with nutrition and training will be your best friend to do anything weather on gear or not. Exa.ple,not many people know that working your legs gives huge natural testosterone benefits.

G-Baby2397's picture

Yeah luckily I had some close friends that hit the gym hard as fuck when we were in highschool and they got me going hard for a year or so. I see where they are at now almost 10 years later and I'm like DAMN! I might just be hating but I think they boost and cruise after the stuff I've been looking up the past few days. I need to ask them straight up and see if they can help me make a solid regimen. It always easier to stay motivated when you got someone you like pushing you to go too. But fuck I hate big gyms lmao. I might fuck around and just throw a rack in the back yard

V0411's picture

It's possible, could be juice, genetics or consistently training but 10 years in and if there still growing then maybe. A solid workout plan and diet is key. Figure out weather you need to cut or bulk, which in your case sounds like bulk then cut depending on your body fat now. Having someone is nice but I had learn the hard way that no matter what in life you have to take care of you, your the one that's always going to have your back and your the one that is going to get the rewards or consequences of your actions. Fear and hate limit us from reaching potential. You step in that gym your there for YOU and only you, no one else matters they don't exist pretend like there invisible. 1-2 hours a day 5 days a week with good nutrition is all it takes to look amazing.

G-Baby2397's picture

Def need to bulk. Idk where all this weight went. I've at least been active at work so it's mostly fat I lost I feel like. I don't feel like I'm a lot weaker than I was 20 pounds ago. I don't think I'd ever want to do a cut anyway. I've been a thicc boy once for almost a year and it didn't bother me. Shit if I didn't get locked up for 6 months back in 21 I'd probably still be 200 pounds. Got home Jan of 22 and was a healthy 165. Been slowly losing that weight since. Especially the ass end of 23. Gotta be from stress or something I guess

V0411's picture

Then get a nice heavy diet going, eat eat eat. If your one of the human garbage disposals that burns everything off then eat even more. Lots of protein and good carbs alongside good volume style training regimen

Bill1976's picture

You should be able to gain at least 20 pounds natural. I gained even more at age 38 natural. Don’t want to miss out on having kids

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