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Anyone done them I hear they have a 85 percent chance of healing shoulders. I’m considering doing it.
Both my shoulders grind and click I’m unable to workout because of the extreme evolving pain. Seems my knees are starting to hurt a little too now.

I’ve tried hgh and bpc 157 tb 500, igf lr3 and various other peptides and nothing has worked

All my joint pains slowly get worst.

giardap's picture

You need active release therapy and then need to learn scapular/thorasic stability

If.... you dont have degenerative issues. Then all the peps in the world wont work.

comebackkid's picture

Multiple joint problems at your age doesn't sound like a stem cell fix. Stem cells can and do work if the clinic is legit and the proper candidate is identified.

There are alot of "new to the game" clinics trying to make a buck. Expect to pay around 10k for the complete process for musculoskeletal injury recovery if it is legit.

Stem cell therapy is being promoted for many things, but this is a musculoskeletal issue so it narrows the focus.

My wife just successfully had this procedure done to heal a rotator cuff tear and it healed faster than surgery. I know this because between the 2 of us we have had 20 orthopedic surgeries and 3 rotator cuff reconstructions, so there is a template. (we are both docs in our 50's and former competitive bodybuilders).

Done properly, autologous stem cell injections require a healthy donor (yourself) and injections into the area that needs healed. This will cause an inflammatory response that initiates the healing process.

If you have multiple joint issues at your age (30) this probably isn't your answer.

PT and bodywork probably isn't the answer if your issues involve multiple issues.

You should look at your training, diet, recovery, and overall body inflammation first.

If you have specific joints that are troublesome, imaging (x-rays, MRI) would be warranted.

Also bloodwork should be done. Elevated inflammatory markers and autoimmune markers need to be ruled out. Finding a good doc can be a good resource to rule out metabolic and autoimmune disorders.

Hope this helps. Sucking it up and pushing through the pain isn't the answer.

stairmaster's picture

First you should do an MRI and a x-ray.
Then search a good physiotherapist, maybe he can helps you!

HailRazor's picture

http://innovationsstemcellcenter.com

http://www.ismspringfield.com

Grind n Click.....you might just need some therapy (ART)

http://www.pamf.org/pt/services/art.html

An MRI might help....see a qualified therapists first

Stem Cell / PRP treatment worked for my partial tear tendon

It was worth every penny

You don’t have to travel to panama Smile

Caeser's picture

Brilliant share! +

RangerVet's picture

Can you tell us approx how many pennies lol?

HailRazor's picture

Yea....I REALLY recommend researching

Not all Docs are the same

The first cost was approx 10k

This was using 2 Docs

One to surgically extract the stem cells

One to inject the stem cells

I did not go this route as the stem cells must be strategically placed or “woven”.......not injected by a Doc that injects meds into spines or hips, etc

It’s not the same

I found an experienced Doc for this procedure for approx 3k

I provided my own MRI

RangerVet's picture

Wow you should write your experience if you get time. This would help alot of us. Appreciated

RangerVet's picture

Thank you! We need a stem cell forum. From what I read Panama is if you require iv stem cells. Depends on what needs fixed. There is also a difference in quality. Appreciate your links

HailRazor's picture

It’s the difference between Human Umbilical Stem Cells Vs Autologous Stem Cell

autologous - mesenchymal

umbilical cord tissue -allogeneic mesenchymal

(Autologous) come directly from the tissue of the patient Vs Umbilical Stem Cells. As it turns out, there are plenty of stem cells floating around in the body at any given point (bone marrow or fat usually taken from abdomen area)

Platelet-Rich Plasma (PRP) would be IV

RangerVet's picture

Awesome appreciate this

RangerVet's picture

Stem cells... adult stem cells can be injected locally or through an intravenous route. If you really want to know the power of what they can do I want you to go to cellmedicine. Com. Currently u must fly to Panama if you want the best adult stems. They do have one type in america but on localized injection. They are the future of healing. Goodluck. Cell medicine is the only site I know that is real. They do not give you prices. If you are not rich you will have to wait until they become cheaper. I don't know what they ask or how it works only that they are getting the stem cells that fucking work.

RangerVet's picture

I gave you a website because currently it's the only real one.
You don't buy anything. They decide if they will help you somehow probally by how much money you have idk.
I never give websites but stem cells in Panama are the best and these are the people doing it. Anyone bitches and I repeat go fuck yourself. I'm trying to help. Not selling a fucking thing.
Let us know if you actually ask them for help amd what they ask and just everything. They have done it over 800 patients all with amazing stories. Mel Gibson amd his dad flew there. Can watch interview on Joe Rogan podcast with Mel Gibson on this place. Unbelievable this shit

Rob83's picture

I watched that podcast last week, interesting but I couldn’t afford to get to Panama, never mind the treatment once I got there!!

RangerVet's picture

They never talk about cost so I bet it is extremely expensive. They are doing groundbreaking shit though. Too bad I'm not rich or I would fix my body there too

RangerVet's picture

I can't afford it either!!! I'm poor as fuck lol

ChickenBirdOfGains's picture

Systemic administration of IGF-I enhances healing in collagenous extracellular matrices: evaluation of loaded and unloaded ligaments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17386107

CONCLUSION:
These results support two of our hypotheses that systemic administration of IGF-I or GH+IGF-I improves healing in collagenous tissue. Systemic administration of IGF-I improves healing in collagenous extracellular matrices from loaded and unloaded tissues. Growth hormone alone did not result in any significant improvement contrary to our hypothesis, while GH + IGF-I produced remarkable improvement in hindlimb unloaded animals.

I thought that might be of help. Also, I've read a few peoples accounts of using Alflutop for shoulder injuries.

steroidmen's picture

and did you give them time to recover?

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