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Currently take 4iu pre bed of hgh and have had good results from it and my sleep is great. About to bump up to 6iu and have seen people take like 2iu pre workout and they love the feel of it. Ive also seen not to do that from others. Is it pointless to pin Gh preworkout. I utilize pre workout fast acting slin also. Would that affect the preworkout Gh? How would I time it if I did do it if using slin pre workout?
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I think u gotta pin hgh 3-5hrs pre workout to get the effect
Yeah brother, I don’t think pre-workout GH is pointless( (it can be, depending on your goal), but I do think people overcomplicate the timing.
If fat loss is the main goal, I personally prefer first thing in the morning fasted or pre-bed, especially if you’re doing fasted cardio. GH helps increase lipolysis, so keeping insulin low for a while makes sense. No magic 4–5 hour rule, just don’t expect GH to outwork a bad diet lol.
For growth/recovery, I don’t believe pre-workout is somehow superior. The GH > IGF-1 thing isn’t an instant anabolic window. Consistency, total exposure, food and training matter much more. If I wanted it around training, I’d honestly lean post-workout before I’d chase a pre-workout “feel.”
Some guys swear by the pump from pre-workout GH, and I believe that anecdotally, but pump and water/fullness don’t automatically mean more hypertrophy.
The bigger thing here is you’re already using fast-acting XXXXtabooXXXX pre-workout. GH can temporarily reduce insulin sensitivity while xxxxx is pushing glucose down, so I wouldn’t try to make the timing overly fancy around both. BTW is way too advanced stuff and most people don’t need to touch this, I’m 100% sure about it.
My take: morning/bedtime for lipolysis, consistent daily(pre bed is my favorite time, less sides) use for growth/recovery, and pre-workout only if you personally like the feel…not because it’s magically better.
The man! Good shit as always.
And good to know im doing it right, or so it seems LOL
Panda - thank you for being such an incredible source of knowledge, and for taking the time to share it in detail.
Do you have thoughts on taking hgh intramuscularly? It is my understanding that peak levels are reached quicker which could be nice if you wanted to start your fasted cardio ~2 hours after morning bolus vs 3-4.
Yeah brother, IM does peak faster than subQ, so if your idea is specifically to have that GH peak closer to your fasted cardio window, there’s definitely some logic there.
That said, like @irongame427 mentioned, if you’re already taking GH pre-bed subQ, you’re still getting the overall metabolic/body-composition benefit from consistent GH exposure. I wouldn’t look at GH only through the lens of “how do I maximize thermogenesis during cardio,” because honestly it’s probably the most expensive fat burner you could use lol.
If fat loss is the goal, personally I’d rather keep GH consistent and use something like low-dose (caffeine + yohimbine + L-carnitine + salbutamol + Cardarine) or whatever fat burner blend you feel comfortable with…pre fasted cardio, instead of changing the whole GH setup just to chase a faster peak.
IM is faster, yes. SubQ is slower and more prolonged. But faster absorption doesn’t automatically mean dramatically more fat loss.
For me, GH works best when you think long term. Keep it circulating consistently, let it do what it does for recovery, body composition, sleep, tissue support, etc., and adjust timing based on what fits your routine.
So yes, IM can make sense if you want the faster peak, especially around morning cardio, but I personally wouldn’t overthink it. Consistency is still king with GH IMHO.
Just my thoughts, Big bro.
Much appreciated Panda. I agree gh is long term, which is why conceptually it seemed suboptimal to have a faster peak vs prolonged with subq.
My fat burning protocol includes more purpose built compounds for fat loss, but my goal is to capture as much lipolosis from the gh alongside them.
I saw on one of those steroid roundtable podcasts a few weeks ago this discussion popped up. And peak IGF levels were within minutes of eachother IM vs SubQ. The guys pulled up studies and showed it. I cant recall for the life of me which pod it was. So it really comes down to what is more comfortable for you.
This is a good thing! One less variable we really need to worry about.
Spot on !
Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I’m familiar with both but not an expert. I try to do as much of my own research but there’s so many different answers out there. Don’t worry my diet is locked in always and train hard and focus on sleep and recovery also.
Yeah BIG, I feel you. GH is probably one of the grayest areas in this whole scene. There are so many different approaches because results and sides can change a lot based on hormone balance (E2 for example), dose, timing, insulin sensitivity, diet, genetics, and just individual response.
IMO the best strategy is finding the lowest dose where you actually notice benefits, a timing you can realistically stick with, and then just being consistent. Over time that’s where you usually see the real value … recovery, sleep, fullness, body composition, and supporting growth.
For me personally, I look at GH more like a long-term tool than a “cycle drug.” I prefer keeping it in year-round and adjusting the dose depending on the phase, goal, and bloodwork rather than constantly starting and stopping it.
That’s just my own approach though. GH is one of those things I’m always open to learning more about and trying different setups with.
So yeah, BIG bro … keep the basics locked in like you already are, stay consistent, and give it time. GH is more marathon than sprint IMO.
Yes sir! Appreciate the knowledge
I pin at night, then pin in the morning - 4 hours before fasted cardio. I wait 7 hours from morning bolus to eat meal 1. Fat burning has been greatly accelerated for me. And I still get the awesome sleep from night time bolus
Pointless. I’ve split dosed it multiple times a day including pre and post work, and taken it all before bed. Results were no different. They were better for fat loss taking it before bed and doing fasted cardio in the morning vs taking it first thing in the morning and doing cardio. It takes a good couple hours to start doing its thing.
I just bumped up to 6iu myself and technically my pin is around 2-3 hours before lifting. 4iu night and 2iu upon waking. Then I clean up and do my morning stuff. I actually have a lot to do before lifting so it’s almost like fasted cardio cause my hr will be around 130. Then an hour before lifting I eat my meal and go. So I wouldn’t say pw but morning before fasted cardio is pretty preem imo
It’s pointless. it takes 3-4 hours for the GH to peak and to achieve peak plasma concentration. Keep running it at night if you’re trying to make gains. Another option with pinning it, is after waking up to maximize the lipolytic effect at of the GH while in a fasted state to lose weight, and if this is the case you only need no more then 3IU.
Thanks appreciate it
Anytime bro