Hell of a point B. I like to express a huge point with testing though. Proper use of the product in this case is very important and that includes knowing some of the best ways to test. In my view there are many ways to test and I'll give one here as an example. If you are using test (very important distinction) then I say make sure you are at a stable point at least 6 weeks into a long ester test cycle or a week into a short test cycle then you run at 2 iu's for a week with hgh and then test. Keep your test levels identical and then ramp up over a couple weeks to 5 iu's and ride there a few days and test again. The best way of course is to test pre cycle running cruise levels of hgh for a while leading up to it and then 6 weeks into a test cycle ramping up an iu a week on hgh test again. Some think you can simply test with no testosterone in the run and you should be high. Well first we don't know that persons personal base line and we have to assume the don't have enough natty test to make a higher balance in igf-1 and the productiob of an additional significant amount of igf-1 was not possible. So many variables between all of us as individuals there has to be a protocol in place to test so we don't have too much opinion involved.
It would be nice if 10 of us were using a specific hgh and we ran it the same under an identical protocol and test under an identical protocol and then we have a scientific answer. Outside of that we get these random "I tested and its bunk" and we don't get any details. Was it mixed right, did you shake the shit out of it, was it refrigerated, did you run test, were you a low baseline to start ...I mean I could go through 100 different varibales that even get as complex as very high shbg in one person screwing up all the uptake of test and killing additional production of igf-1 and it tells us nothing. Too many varibales to trust any one persons test without protocol of some sort. I wish these people who have posted tests or do in the future would post their whole use protocol and how they tested with 2 tests in variable for a relative understanding. Its just much more complex than to just run a test. I know you know that but the truth is, most do not. Give you a great example of what I mean here in terms of keeping an ipen mind and not just judging something on what it is our eyes see without questions to the eyes. I have had 3 members now tell me their hgh tested positive for hcg. The first time it happened I recommended they make sure they had a quality test and not some dollar general piss stick. The first one emailed me back and said, "funny you should say, I bought mine from dollar general". So I said , well its probably right but lets be sure before we say anything so he got one from walgreens and it showed negative for hcg. This has happened twice since then and both times DOLLAR STORE! So kind of off topic but tests are only accurate when they are done with a scientific procedure and protocol in place.
The same thing goes for testosterone levels. It is very difficult to make a precise decision from one test given our test levels bounce around a great deal based on activity and caffeine and foods and on and on. Don't get me wrong, I believe in tests but it has to be done properly or it is counterproductive to all of us. Btw, nothing pisses me more than someone hollering bunk because they saw someone post a test on some web page somewhere!!! At least half of the negative reviews all over the net are from suppliers competitors trying to drive business their own way. They destroy each other over and over and make it very difficult for us to find legit sources for hgh. Bunk to me is a very serious accusation so a person should first be an adult and grown up enough to understand how to research and use something properly and follow a proven protocol for use and testing......Nice post brother and point very well taken!

how do u know this,i got mine in dec. and i have my bro on them and he likes them,,,,,, stamped version