posted Sat, 06/23/2018 - 08:18
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Hey guys,was wondering if you shine some light on a couple questions:
Can trenbolone lower igf-1levels while taking hgh?
Can Boldenone lower igf-1 levels while taking hgh?
I read and i read and all i could find is that DHT will lower negatively igf levels.
I believe Deca,test are safe options while taking hgh
Orals of course a big nono-need healthy liver to convert the hgh.
Anyway looking for some exp users to chime in:)thank you fam!
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eddoIf your taking exogenous HGH I wouldn’t worry about anything lowering IGF1 it will be negligible.
TronThanks for posting this. Read your post and all the comments below..a lot of good info.
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interesting
and how about Primabolan? does it can lower IGF1?
DobermannIt can i am pretty sure.DHT can lower it.
The "Urban bodybuilding" legend says it is, and I've some some sporadic individual confirmations to this. There is no scientific background for it (like with other dehydrotestosterone derivates),
But like mentioned below (concerning trenbolone) the IGF1 serum evels reflects the bounded IGF1 which present in the serum, and doesn't really show the autocrine local secretion of IGF1 in muscle tissue and its autocrine effect, and real time observation really shows that any AAS actually potentiate this effect
Can trenbolone lower igf-1levels while taking hgh?
Not really, normally Tren increases your IGF and FGF levels independently of which other steroids u take too and I see also no reason why HGH should lower your IGF. I know thats not your quest but Tren increases your progesterone and can also lower your E2, but I think u know that.
Can Boldenone lower igf-1 levels while taking hgh?
No, Bolde doesn't lowers or increase IGF levels as far as I know, I found also no helpful studies.
If I'm wrong please correct me guys!
DobermannThank you stairmaster,i am taking hgh but will be incorporating other compounds shortly i wanted to make
Sure.i seen a guy post that aas such as primo and masteron can lower igf1 so thats why i was not sure of tren or eq can too.all good now brother have a good day from me !!
I’ve never heard about AAS negatively effecting igf. Only that some can raise it. Test included. I could totally be wrong. I haven’t done any research, just going off of memory on shit I stumbled on while reading about other shit over the years.
To be honest I don’t think it’ll have that big an impact tho either way. Would love to see bloods if you end up experimenting.
DobermannIndont think so either.i only heard that primo can lower ur igf levels.something to do with it being dht.to be honest i may pull another igf in september.right now running tren,eq,test and provi.
only way to find out how it all effects you is to be running gh without compounds, test igf, add in compound, retest igf.
thats how i figure things out.
DobermannYa ur right,was trying to get a general view but ya we all different lol gotta figure what works for me.thnx bro ++
saffireCan trenbolone lower igf-1levels while taking hgh?
Well, my bloodwork always show it as lowered, but i think that no spoil hgh, only falsifies the test, because the results combined with hgh are crazy.There are some studies that look at Trenbolone administration alone, but these only look at IGF-1 mra expression in muscle tissue, not at circulating levels.
Can Boldenone lower igf-1 levels while taking hgh?
Never notice changes in igf1 with boldenone.
Like you said Trenbolone in most cases lowers IGF1 serum levels, it has mainly to do with its progesteronic nature. Trenbolone has also a negative impact on the liver, as well as on thyroid hormones, which may sabotage IGF1 serum levels.
How ever I actually speculate based on vast clinical trials on stock animals, as well as on empirical observation on athletes who uses trenbolone, that its high androgenic component induces on the autocrine level (locally secreted by muscle cells) greater secretion and sensitivity growth factors, and also posses direct effect on satellite cell proliferation which leads to skeletal muscle hypertrophy, especially for the long run.
DobermannVery intresting..
DobermannExcellent,thank you for responce:)
I coudnt find enough info on it but i was sure the eroids
Fam can help out here+++
all sex steroids actually increase protein synthesis in hepatocytes and igf-1 is a protein produced in the liver. the most potent one is estradiol (which strongly increases igf-1 synthesis in the liver and gh transcription at the level of the hypothalamus). androgens all act on the same receptor but depending on the amount of aromatization for the different steroids they should either be neutral or increase igf1
DobermannI see .so tren being an adrogen shoudnt impact levels if anythig it should increase them.very cool cuz i read primo can lower ur igf levels
I don´t think igf1 is lowered PER SE. however, steroids might influence the synthesis of its (multiple) binding proteins which might result in an altered half-life and thus on a blood test it might seem to have been lowered (although "artificially" as total quantity of igf1 is not affected)
I do a lot of reading and everyone has something different to say so I make sure two get tested to see where I’m at.
DobermannYa thats another way of looking at it probably the best way
Heaze2016From reading about a dozen diff articles over the years, I read that Trenbolone actually increases IGF levels.
DobermannSame i heard,but wanted to make sure.