If you do take into account that 2IU pharma yield same benefits as 5IU generics, minus the sides, I don't think money is really an issue anymore. Plus some people waste a lot of money on AAS when they could just use the basic compounds and save that money for GH.
30iu of pharma can cost about 300-600... Compared to 30iu of generic or Hyges cost...$50-80? It's a huge difference. Even if ones 90% pure and the other is 99% it's still not worth the extra thousands and thousands of dollars
I will be running 8iu per day 7 days a week homie. With hyges testing as good as they are right now too (plus I get hyges for 1.35 per IU) it's hard to match that.
I've done the math, if I got 90iu pharma (3iu per day) it would still cost more. I don't know where I can get 90-100iu pharma for less than $400 I've looked everywhere. I used to be able to get serostim for 500 per kit but he says he keeps them all to himself now because they are harder to get lol
I'm gonna try to get my insurance to cover it if I can somehow pull off a shitty HGH serum in a blood test but even then my copay would still be high and I'd only be getting enough for about 1-2iu per day
Bro ur 23 what is the rush? High GH and slin u know thats not smart. Prob high doses of aas too...do ur thing but that is NOT responsible nor reasonable use...
I like to believe my AAS doses are reasonable/moderate. As for high gh/slin that depends on diet. The gh would be used to create new cells hyperplasia for the future and as I get older they can mature and I'll have more to go off of. The HGH causes hyperglycemia conditions so the slin actually evens it out. I'm responsible with slin and use a glucometer and many preventative measures as well. But I would only use higher doses of slin if I was eating a massive amount of food. Insulin essentially allows you to eat MORE. Without insulin you'd be losing a large amount of the protein you eat simply because you body will not effectively use every gram of protein directly for amino acid to muscle cells. AAS increase protein synthesis and insulin decreases protein breakdown. Very synergistic, and the hgh causes you to use lipids as a fuel source which not only reduces protein breakdown for energy but it also leaves glycogen and glucose to be used by the body.
Using GH without insulin you are really selling yourself short. Not getting the most out of your money considering the high price tag of HGH. I believe anyone who is spending 500 dollar a month or more on HGH would be considered a serious user. Why would someone spending that kind of money not want to maximize their results? As I said earlier in a different thread, a small/average slin and hgh dose added to a light/average AAS cycle will yield much more results than a High dose AAS and HGH cycle without slin. Which means less stress on your body. Lower AAS doses = less prostate issues, lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and less need for AI's and other ancillary drugs that have their own set of side effects (prami, bromo, nolva etc)
I know exactly what slin does and how to use it properly but that doesn't mean I should or you should especially at your age. Did u ever talk with aerok on here or know who that is? Slin is not to be toyed with even when you know exactly what you are doing, one small mistake or not paying real close attention could cause serious problems...just my .02 but of course you know way more than me. I would severely advise you steer clear of slin. Regardless of if u have used it successfully in the past or not.
Don't try to compare me with aerok bro I know who he is. There was no definitive cause for his death but he was very erratic and unstable in respect to his drugs and dosing. He mentioned using slin but had not done sufficient research on it. It's very sad to think maybe he thought the number 2 on a slin pin meant 2iu, when it could mean 20iu on a certain type of insulin pin. So it;s not really fair to bring aerok into this because the true cause of death is unknown and he was very unstable and reckless.
Yeah I know it wasn't certain what caused his death but its still scary to think about. But like I said just one accident with slin can kill you. I'm not gonna sugar coat it. Nor should anyone else. I'm honestly surprised some vets or mods aren't on here advising you against it just like I am.
BTW dude I'm not trying to tell you what to do nor be confrontational or anything like that. I just don't want anything to happen to you nor anyone else that's terrible shit to hear about ya know? Its rough having seen a guy on here talking bout stuff then next thing u know he's dead. Tread said that he talked to him extensively and constantly advised him to tone it down a bit. That would be my friendly, concerned advice to you. But like I said I'm not trying to be negative towards you
I do appreciate you concern and want to thank you for that. I can assure you I'm not doing this unprepared I've spent countless hours researching about it and take it very seriously. I completely understand the dangers and respect it.
I will take your advice absolutely and make sure to keep things reasonable. The one thing I have already learned is it is unlike AAS where you can keep raising dose, with slin there IS a limit so I like to stay a good amount below that limit and will keep it that way. Thanks for looking out man I can assure you I will listen, think and stay smart about it.
Of course it would still cost more or it wouldn't be real GH ;) But the issue at hand is if the price difference is worth it or not. And to me, it sure hell is. Peace of mind, purity, no fillers, no other compounds I don't know about, no side effects. I would rather cut one or two months of your initial HGH usage plan and invest that money in pharmagrade. Also, these tests (10IU IM 3.5hours before) are pretty much worthless btw. So hope these are not the tests you were talking about.
Yea It's definitely worth it if you can get a good price on it =P
I will continue my search. Do you honestly believe 3iu will yield the same results as 8iu/day hygetropin? Goals are pure mass will be using heavy insulin and anabolics and super high calorie diet tryn to get huge.
I know children and teens produce equivalent to 1.5-2.5iu per day on average (much higher during growth spurts) and adults is about 0.5-1.5iu per day average (drops as age increases) Those dosages are purely pharma by the way. So if I only took 2iu per day that would be similar to above replacement dose when I'm looking for fatloss, increase in lbm and hyperplasia.
I guess what I'm asking is assuming hyges are relatively high quality and very strong for an 8iu dose what would the pharma dose need to be to get the benefits I explained above? I will strongly consider pharma and paying more if I can afford to run it at the required doses for at least 6-8 months.
GH/Slin is a very nice combo for bulking, just make sure you read up well on it before you do it. I'm not a fan of high dosages, gotta think about your health down the road brother. 3IUs GH along with some Humalog at breakfast and postworkout should be enough. Of course, AAS run concurrently as well. The food is what will get you huge, easy on the dosages, you're still 23. What will you use when you're 30 LOL.
I've already been experimenting on slin on and off the past 8 months. Trust me I've done my research. I'm just looking to add HGH to complete my regimen.
My diet will be a minimum of 5000 calories. I need 5k to gain so will be looking at 6000 per day until I reach a plateau then I will increase again. Yea I'm actually going to just run simple test/deca next cycle with 1250 test and 500 deca but will be focusing more on the hgh/slin/calories because it really doesn't matter as much about the AAS as long as you got a high dose test and a secondary anabolic - tren/eq/deca that's pretty much max out on the AAS higher dosages seem to just bring more sides I'll probably have to increase as I get older. As for what will i need at 30, well I suspect I'll only be messing with pharma hgh at that age and probably have a TRT rx so using pharma test as well
Will do my man! I'll have my kits next month or so I'll try to post a before/2month/4month and 6month progress pics of my hgh hopefully they will be impressive I'm sure they will assuming all things in order. I might have enough money in beginning of 2014 to get pharma !!
PLUS 99% of generics are more than likely a clever mix of peptides that yield HGH like results and can look legit on blood tests... if the raws are from china and cheap then its prob not HGH. Why do ppl not understand that? The shit is expensive regardless why not just save up for 6 more months and get pharma. You can't put a price on peace of mind....
Aren't Hyges (depending which one you get) chinese pharma as well? i.e. The green and black tops with pinwheel design which are the original and the yellow tops and green tops with tribal design which are Dr Lins. While the brown tops are copies. That's what I've read in many forums. Obviously the quality would still probably be a step down from western pharma but I imagine it should still be pretty good quality?
I'm pretty much on the same dilemma as j223, wanting to run pharma but because of the price probably not able to. Leaning towards Hyges right now as they seem to pulling out impressive tests. But all this can change of course as an Aussie we're pretty limited on sources so whatever they carry is what we can get.
The Chinese Hygetropins are very high quality because they were originally pharma grade. But they still use the same stuff to make it. Still a good product.
Yea as a college student, It would not be smart running 600 dollars a month worth of pharma HGH when I can run 2 kits a month of hyges for 250-300 a month. The quality of hyges are very impressive so I don't feel so bad. Not like all the junk blue tops out there.
That seems to be what I've been reading, Can get a bit confusing with all the hyges around.
Yea I get ya bro, it's hard at our age. I've recently graduated so just stepping into the work force. Until I get settled there's only so much you can spend with all the other expenses as well AAS, food, supplements etc. gotta make the most of what you got. I know I can afford to run 8iu of hyges a day while probably only 2iu of pharma. I plan on starting on hyges or maybe rips and eventually maybe a few months in giving pharma a go to see test the difference.
Yeah me either tbh for non pharma hyges and rips seem to be the strongest most consistently at the moment.
Congrats on the degree friend. I'm focused on getting into pharmacy school in the next year or two, so I still have a long ways to go. However once I start making a pharmacists salary I might be able to afford some pharma hgh lol. I'll fill it myself =P
Until then, can't go wrong with Hyges I seen one test 98% Purity!!
rips are very strong but they are not as pure as hyges. Look for yellow tops or green tops HYge
Read the rules Calvin!
Has there been any kind of testing done on Hulk's hgh?
biggerthanyouFor HGH just go pharma grade...
I'm beginning to think I cannot go back to generics just for the reasons below among others...that is all
biggerthanyouOh for sure...its just money, I promise you will make more in ur lifetime!! Lol
We need more people like you on these forums.
bro if everyone had the money they would be using pharma!
If you do take into account that 2IU pharma yield same benefits as 5IU generics, minus the sides, I don't think money is really an issue anymore. Plus some people waste a lot of money on AAS when they could just use the basic compounds and save that money for GH.
JohnnyBlack30iu of pharma can cost about 300-600... Compared to 30iu of generic or Hyges cost...$50-80? It's a huge difference. Even if ones 90% pure and the other is 99% it's still not worth the extra thousands and thousands of dollars
I sell 30IU of Norditropin for 240$. And bulk prices are also available. That is for one.
Second, if you think it is an issue of PURITY, like with pharma vs UGL AAS, then you my friend know nothing about the issue. No offense.
I will be running 8iu per day 7 days a week homie. With hyges testing as good as they are right now too (plus I get hyges for 1.35 per IU) it's hard to match that.
I've done the math, if I got 90iu pharma (3iu per day) it would still cost more. I don't know where I can get 90-100iu pharma for less than $400 I've looked everywhere. I used to be able to get serostim for 500 per kit but he says he keeps them all to himself now because they are harder to get lol
I'm gonna try to get my insurance to cover it if I can somehow pull off a shitty HGH serum in a blood test but even then my copay would still be high and I'd only be getting enough for about 1-2iu per day
biggerthanyouBro ur 23 what is the rush? High GH and slin u know thats not smart. Prob high doses of aas too...do ur thing but that is NOT responsible nor reasonable use...
I like to believe my AAS doses are reasonable/moderate. As for high gh/slin that depends on diet. The gh would be used to create new cells hyperplasia for the future and as I get older they can mature and I'll have more to go off of. The HGH causes hyperglycemia conditions so the slin actually evens it out. I'm responsible with slin and use a glucometer and many preventative measures as well. But I would only use higher doses of slin if I was eating a massive amount of food. Insulin essentially allows you to eat MORE. Without insulin you'd be losing a large amount of the protein you eat simply because you body will not effectively use every gram of protein directly for amino acid to muscle cells. AAS increase protein synthesis and insulin decreases protein breakdown. Very synergistic, and the hgh causes you to use lipids as a fuel source which not only reduces protein breakdown for energy but it also leaves glycogen and glucose to be used by the body.
Using GH without insulin you are really selling yourself short. Not getting the most out of your money considering the high price tag of HGH. I believe anyone who is spending 500 dollar a month or more on HGH would be considered a serious user. Why would someone spending that kind of money not want to maximize their results? As I said earlier in a different thread, a small/average slin and hgh dose added to a light/average AAS cycle will yield much more results than a High dose AAS and HGH cycle without slin. Which means less stress on your body. Lower AAS doses = less prostate issues, lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and less need for AI's and other ancillary drugs that have their own set of side effects (prami, bromo, nolva etc)
biggerthanyouI know exactly what slin does and how to use it properly but that doesn't mean I should or you should especially at your age. Did u ever talk with aerok on here or know who that is? Slin is not to be toyed with even when you know exactly what you are doing, one small mistake or not paying real close attention could cause serious problems...just my .02 but of course you know way more than me. I would severely advise you steer clear of slin. Regardless of if u have used it successfully in the past or not.
Don't try to compare me with aerok bro I know who he is. There was no definitive cause for his death but he was very erratic and unstable in respect to his drugs and dosing. He mentioned using slin but had not done sufficient research on it. It's very sad to think maybe he thought the number 2 on a slin pin meant 2iu, when it could mean 20iu on a certain type of insulin pin. So it;s not really fair to bring aerok into this because the true cause of death is unknown and he was very unstable and reckless.
biggerthanyouYeah I know it wasn't certain what caused his death but its still scary to think about. But like I said just one accident with slin can kill you. I'm not gonna sugar coat it. Nor should anyone else. I'm honestly surprised some vets or mods aren't on here advising you against it just like I am.
BTW dude I'm not trying to tell you what to do nor be confrontational or anything like that. I just don't want anything to happen to you nor anyone else that's terrible shit to hear about ya know? Its rough having seen a guy on here talking bout stuff then next thing u know he's dead. Tread said that he talked to him extensively and constantly advised him to tone it down a bit. That would be my friendly, concerned advice to you. But like I said I'm not trying to be negative towards you
I do appreciate you concern and want to thank you for that. I can assure you I'm not doing this unprepared I've spent countless hours researching about it and take it very seriously. I completely understand the dangers and respect it.
I will take your advice absolutely and make sure to keep things reasonable. The one thing I have already learned is it is unlike AAS where you can keep raising dose, with slin there IS a limit so I like to stay a good amount below that limit and will keep it that way. Thanks for looking out man I can assure you I will listen, think and stay smart about it.
biggerthanyouCool man +1 one to that
One love
Yeah that's right I used to be cool before I started gettin old FML haha
Of course it would still cost more or it wouldn't be real GH ;) But the issue at hand is if the price difference is worth it or not. And to me, it sure hell is. Peace of mind, purity, no fillers, no other compounds I don't know about, no side effects. I would rather cut one or two months of your initial HGH usage plan and invest that money in pharmagrade. Also, these tests (10IU IM 3.5hours before) are pretty much worthless btw. So hope these are not the tests you were talking about.
Yea It's definitely worth it if you can get a good price on it =P
I will continue my search. Do you honestly believe 3iu will yield the same results as 8iu/day hygetropin? Goals are pure mass will be using heavy insulin and anabolics and super high calorie diet tryn to get huge.
I know children and teens produce equivalent to 1.5-2.5iu per day on average (much higher during growth spurts) and adults is about 0.5-1.5iu per day average (drops as age increases) Those dosages are purely pharma by the way. So if I only took 2iu per day that would be similar to above replacement dose when I'm looking for fatloss, increase in lbm and hyperplasia.
I guess what I'm asking is assuming hyges are relatively high quality and very strong for an 8iu dose what would the pharma dose need to be to get the benefits I explained above? I will strongly consider pharma and paying more if I can afford to run it at the required doses for at least 6-8 months.
and no I was talking about mass spec:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/hgh-from-mutagenic
GH/Slin is a very nice combo for bulking, just make sure you read up well on it before you do it. I'm not a fan of high dosages, gotta think about your health down the road brother. 3IUs GH along with some Humalog at breakfast and postworkout should be enough. Of course, AAS run concurrently as well. The food is what will get you huge, easy on the dosages, you're still 23. What will you use when you're 30 LOL.
3IUs pharma over 8IUs hyges any day.
I've already been experimenting on slin on and off the past 8 months. Trust me I've done my research. I'm just looking to add HGH to complete my regimen.
My diet will be a minimum of 5000 calories. I need 5k to gain so will be looking at 6000 per day until I reach a plateau then I will increase again. Yea I'm actually going to just run simple test/deca next cycle with 1250 test and 500 deca but will be focusing more on the hgh/slin/calories because it really doesn't matter as much about the AAS as long as you got a high dose test and a secondary anabolic - tren/eq/deca that's pretty much max out on the AAS higher dosages seem to just bring more sides I'll probably have to increase as I get older. As for what will i need at 30, well I suspect I'll only be messing with pharma hgh at that age and probably have a TRT rx so using pharma test as well
Wish you best of luck brother. Remember to be smart and safe about it. Also post pics of your progress!
Will do my man! I'll have my kits next month or so I'll try to post a before/2month/4month and 6month progress pics of my hgh hopefully they will be impressive I'm sure they will assuming all things in order. I might have enough money in beginning of 2014 to get pharma !!
biggerthanyouPLUS 99% of generics are more than likely a clever mix of peptides that yield HGH like results and can look legit on blood tests... if the raws are from china and cheap then its prob not HGH. Why do ppl not understand that? The shit is expensive regardless why not just save up for 6 more months and get pharma. You can't put a price on peace of mind....
On peace of mind AND your health. Only got one body, and am sure not gonna inject it with chinese crap
I agree with you partly, RIPS and blue tops are not pure HGH or at least not good quality. But jintropin and hyges are looking really good right now
If you're talking about real Jintropin then that is Chinese Pharma grade not generics.
Aren't Hyges (depending which one you get) chinese pharma as well? i.e. The green and black tops with pinwheel design which are the original and the yellow tops and green tops with tribal design which are Dr Lins. While the brown tops are copies. That's what I've read in many forums. Obviously the quality would still probably be a step down from western pharma but I imagine it should still be pretty good quality?
I'm pretty much on the same dilemma as j223, wanting to run pharma but because of the price probably not able to. Leaning towards Hyges right now as they seem to pulling out impressive tests. But all this can change of course as an Aussie we're pretty limited on sources so whatever they carry is what we can get.
The Chinese Hygetropins are very high quality because they were originally pharma grade. But they still use the same stuff to make it. Still a good product.
Yea as a college student, It would not be smart running 600 dollars a month worth of pharma HGH when I can run 2 kits a month of hyges for 250-300 a month. The quality of hyges are very impressive so I don't feel so bad. Not like all the junk blue tops out there.
That seems to be what I've been reading, Can get a bit confusing with all the hyges around.
Yea I get ya bro, it's hard at our age. I've recently graduated so just stepping into the work force. Until I get settled there's only so much you can spend with all the other expenses as well AAS, food, supplements etc. gotta make the most of what you got. I know I can afford to run 8iu of hyges a day while probably only 2iu of pharma. I plan on starting on hyges or maybe rips and eventually maybe a few months in giving pharma a go to see test the difference.
Yeah me either tbh for non pharma hyges and rips seem to be the strongest most consistently at the moment.
Congrats on the degree friend. I'm focused on getting into pharmacy school in the next year or two, so I still have a long ways to go. However once I start making a pharmacists salary I might be able to afford some pharma hgh lol. I'll fill it myself =P
Until then, can't go wrong with Hyges I seen one test 98% Purity!!
rips are very strong but they are not as pure as hyges. Look for yellow tops or green tops HYge
Thanks brother, appreciate it
and good luck in your endeavours too. I'll know who to go to in the future for pharma gh 
haha
Hyges are testing very very good, 40 on a serum test coming out today... I'm very eager to see what this can do fir me along with slin and AAS
biggerthanyoubiggerthanyoubiggerthanyouDo u think most generics are actually HGH? Lol
Money is a small compromise for truly knowing what u are putting in ur body...
biggerthanyou