posted Wed, 07/03/2013 - 13:55
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$300+ igf vs standard cheaper igf
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I remember watching a youtube video about the old school igf and how it was unbelievable. the guy said that its almost impossible to find anymore and the igf around now is pretty much bunk. he said there are a few places that have it but its price makes it almost not worthy of running.
I see some igf going for $300+ and I want to know what is the difference between that igf and the more common priced ones of under $100.
Anyone got any feedback?
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IGF-1 LR3 is useless. What you want is rIGF1 (IGF1 recombinant protein). Localized LR3 won't do much besides give you a pump.
Datbtrue recommends ghrp + mod grf. The GH release should facilitate systemic IGF production in your liver. By taking Leucine and Dextrose together PWO (20min after peptide injection) you spike insulin levels, which produces even higher levels of IGF (GH + slin = IGF).
Save your money and spend it on some test and peptides.
Obama BlowsI stay the fuck away from slin...shit's bad news dude
he's talking about using dextrose to spike natural insulin.
Obama Blowsgotcha
I agree. Exogenous application of slin is bad news if done incorrectly. But boosting your body's insulin levels can be beneficial in some situations.
BigBmajI always felt the opposite. I think forcibly causing huge endogenous production is probably less healthy. I see people taking 150 grams of glucose post workout and I can't imagine that's really good for the pancreas. I would tend to think that using 6 or so IU of fast acting insulin would actually be "healthier". I don't think the pancreas down regulates - it just doesn't produce the insulin if not needed.
I could totally be wrong. And I'm not advocating insulin use in school kids here, just kicking some thoughts around.
Having said that, I did read Dat's opinion on lr3 and I think I'm inclined to agree. I used to love the stuff but realized I never got much more than the pump and some initial water weight gain. I was so excited about localized growth but I never noticed anything, I even experimented using only one sided shots to actually measure the difference in growth - nada. I know some people love it and I would have disagreed with myself even a few months ago, but I've really spent some intimate time with this compound and always come up short.
I didn't care for DES any more, nor did I care much for MGF - I only used a couple bottles of each tho. So I don't think this is a very fair assessment of these two compounds.
Had better luck with GHRP's and CJC.
Word. There are benefits and downsides to both exo-/endogenous insulin regulation. Either way, I believe they both negatively affect insulin sensitivity.
IMO, GHRP/CJC and Leucine/dextrose is the poor mans version of hGH and slin.
BigBmajI think you are probably correct about the sensitivity thing. I have noticed I'm much less sensitive to insulin these days. When I took my first shot I was hypo in minutes now I can get away with much larger doses. But I seem to be getting leaner which is odd.
I did have a blood test and all pancreatic functioning was normal tho, so that's good.
I really love using 6 IU's preworkout with half a gainer shake and creatine. I get such amazing pumps and I have power through the whole workout. I drink the other half post with another 6 IU. I carry some from of carbohydrate within reach if necessary. I don't recommend anyone use the stuff preworkout because its easy to go hypo - but this is my experience. I ramped up to this level and started with 1 IU and went from there. I'll give it a rest pretty soon.
Agreed I'm sure giving the pancreas a break is not such a bad thing. It's always releasing tiny amount 24 hours a day and large amount of insulin during meals.
So I always felt like shooting slin was kind of giving my body a break for a couple hours.
Where are u getting this information from? IGF-LR3 plays a huge part in modern bodybuilding, it is far from useless. But not the igf u get from peptide sources, they're pretty much all crap, so yes all those will do is give u a good pump, but if u can get your hands on pharmaceutical grade igflr3, that shit is gold in bb'ing.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/37381-d...
"So how can you increase muscle growth?
First by not wasting money on IGF-1."
and
"But simply injecting IGF-1 and IGF-2 will do very little for you other then increase your cancer risk. Sure you will be experiencing decent glucose disposal ...but why use these things for that?"
That guy has no fucking clue what he's talking about. The way u gain muscle from hgh is through increased igf production which causes hyperplasia, so taking igf alone will obviously do that too.
And increased cancer risk is only if u had pre-existing cancer cells.
x2 however I have had decent peptide IGF-1 LR3 but I'm sure it's nothing near as good as pharma.
lol with the cancer concerns he doesn't know what hes talking about thats for sure
Obama BlowsWell I got labs done yesterday on my IGF-1 LR3 and I only paid $75 including shipping...so we'll see how those results come back. But judging from how I feel, I'd say it's good shit
Im really interested to see how those labs come back. If it is good shit I would like to pm you to see what source it is
Obama BlowsShould be in by tomorrow...I'll post them
And how do u feel?
Obama BlowsLabs are in and posted bro
Obama BlowsPlease see comment below lol
Jesus dude! Can't you read. He said he felt like good shit:)-
biggerthanyouWell I can tell you that china has changed the game completely.
Cheap but often under dosed raw peptides and I'd bet that 99% of HGH from Chinese raws is actually some form of peptides. They see these USA sources looking for cheap powders and fuck them over, thus fucking us(the consumer) as well
The good igf, gh and other peps were from Europe and probably still are. Shit even the highest quality AAS raws are from EU
Just my 2¢