+ 14 The perefect TRT therapy!
For those on TRT and those looking into it. Please review this website and print out the information so you can take it to your doctor to speak candidly with them. You want to find a doctor that is up on the cutting edge treatments and are willing to try new things.
The best form of TRT is a dose that keeps you with in the normal range but also doesn't have your ridding a hormonal roller coaster. The worst form of TRT is the old age 200mgs injection of test cyp every 2 weeks. You get a super spike of test and the. Slowly decline over the next 2 weeks until you spike yourself with another mega dose.
You can always split your dose yourself and take 100mgs/week. Or better yet take about 50mgs every 3 days.
Review this website and take the information to your doctor as this can be the difference between feeling ok and feeling fantastic.
http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/testosterone-replacement.html
Goal:
Testosterone Treatment Dosages for Men
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50mg Testosterone enanthate/cypionate every third day.
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0.25mg Arimidex every third day.
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500IU HCG every third day.
Ideal Hormone and T Levels for Optimal Health
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Total Testosterone 800 - 1,000 ng/dl
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Free Testosterone 250 - 300 pg/ml
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Estradiol 20 - 30 pg/ml
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SHBG 10 - 30 nmol/l
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DHT 60 - 70 ng/dl
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Prolactin 2 - 3 ng/ml
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DHEA-S ~ 300 ug/dl
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How are you guys doing with acne. I'm @ .30 2× a week and my shoulders and now biceps have acne . I won't even wear a tank top. I've seen comments about hormonal levels but with cyp Ester is 3x a week even advisable. I could do .20 3x. I went to the dermatologist and got some cream and some sort of sulfuric wash but it's still bad
AnonHave your estrogen levels checked. They could be up which could cause some of your skin problems. I now take .3mLs every 3 days and my last test should my levels at 585 on the day of my next dose. I've checked estrogen levels and they were 42.5 which is right at the top level of normal and I am experiencing some acne. Not terrible but some. I picked up some liquid adex to control it myself.
Thanks , I will. Going for bloods soon , a week or so. Only thing I can think of is the obvious oil base, fluctuations in hormone levels however 3 days is not long in between considering the ester
Is 500ius of hcg normal dose for trt patients? Especially those who want to lay there seed
E3d..
QtripsHey guys, I remember someone who was using Clomid with their TRT instead of HCG. I've been on Clomid now at 12.5mg ed and it trumps HCG in every way, cheaper too. Something to give a try. Nuts have gotten bigger.
It's only worth a try if you have secondary hypogonadism. Clomid will not do very much for primary hypogonadism. Just keep that in mind.
AnonInteresting bro I like that idea!!! How did u come about that info? Do you have any supporting links so I can check it out?
QtripsNo supporting links, sorry man. It was just a guy on here who was trying it, so I gave it a try. I would like to have kids someday so keeping my nuts active is something I take seriously. Definitely working for that.
Hi guys,
Just wondering if 25 / 4 = 6,25 mg aromasin is the same than 0,25 mg adex. I have asin in hand and I heard that asin is a better option than adex regarding the lipids panel.
any thoughts ?
peace. chemari
U need some stats ..
sorry,
I'm 200 6,0 43 y.o. man with a 200 ng/ml total test as base.
Prescribed 100 mg/2weeks test cyp. Self prescribed 100 mg/week . . . ;-)
peace
To be honest its hard to compare doses as they are totally different AIs also everyone reacts different to them.
Good read....thx
AnonNp man... I bumped my dose to .3mLs every
3 days (60mgs every 3 days). I'll be doing more bloods in about a month...
Sounds like a good dose. I look forward to seeing BW results..
i wish my doc would get with it, unfortunately if i showed him that website hed probably just laugh at me, im on trt but nothing else, even with estro issues, i have to get stuff myself....too bad that page wasnt written by a reputable doctor, and not just some random dude
AnonThat's ridiculous!! Doc should be prescribing you AI if needed get yourself a new doc sounds like an asshole to not listen to his patient…
I would find another doc if ur having estro issue's and he will not prescribe ai for it.
AnonGot more blood work done this was after 39 hours... Very interesting numbers actually dropped lower then my results that were taken at 58 hours. So I'm thinking its either absorption so my peak and trough are different. So I peak later... Or since I'm on Tren it may be affected my testosterone plasma levels although I wouldn't think so. The test is for total testosterone. Not sure {shrug}. Let me know your thoughts... I'm kicking around bumping my dose...
http://www.eroids.com/pics/trt-dose-update-bloods-39-hours-post-injection
AnonUpdate guys more blood work done!! This blood work I would consider my trough the same day I'm due for my next shot. Approximately 58 hours post dose.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/trt-dose-at-50mgs-every-three-days.-bloods-pr....
Good info, 50mg every three days feels a bit low for me, I've tried that dose, but it could be my estrogen is messed up which is why I don't feel right with that dose.
AnonI'm feeling it might be a little low for me too. I'm going to see what my blood comes back with after I get it drawn tomorrow morning. See where that puts me.
AnonBloods in again guys...
This time I had an oops. I actually freaking missed a dose. Yup I know... I'm not kidding... I was slammed on Saturday which was my test dose day and I messed up. I've never missed a dose of anything lol... I'm experimenting here and figures...
Doesn't help that I take my Tren every Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday and then separately take my 50mgs of test every 3 days so sometimes they don't match up. So here I took a dose of Tren on Friday and the on Sunday I took my dose of Tren then monday morning I realized I fucked up and notice wait a min as I was looking at my calendar I freaking missed my test dose. DAMN IT!!! So normally if I wasn't experimenting I would immediately take the dose of test. However, in this case I was curious and figured some of you might be as we'll so I held out since my next dose was due Tuesday night and got bloods done Tuesday afternoon.
Here are my results and some of my story to go along with it. Hope this helps. I'll continue with bloods and retest in another 2 weeks and again 2 weeks after that. I'll get peak and trough values...
http://www.eroids.com/pics/trt-50mgs-every-3-days.-what-if-you-miss-a-dose
AnonBloods are in... Been on dosing scheme about 5 weeks. Took blood about 10 hours post injection and ill do more bloods soon.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/testosterone-levels-with-trt-50mg-q-3-days
OK, I've been off the boards for awhile but came to a very similar protocol and LOVE it. I take around 150mg every 5 days. It really seems to keep me level. I have to admit I haven't ran bloods in awhile. Last time I was right around 900 which is where I want to be. Dr freaks at higher.
I'm not using an AI. This just started about six months ago and feels fine. Again, need to run bloods soon.
I searched microdosing on this site and didn't find anything. Not sure if that What's this is called.
Are we on to something or has this been around for awhile with trt?
Thank you sounds like good information.
I was feeling like death warmed over and begged my general practioner to check my estrogen/Test levels and my Test was down to 59! He started to treat my Low T with 200mg once per week Im injection but no kind of anti estrogen or AI so I questioned him about it. He said didn't need any since I was only replacing what would be my normal test levels.
No major problems but still didn't feel right after a while so I sought out am HRT specific doc-he reran blood work and started me on anastrozole 1mg EOD and 250iu of HCG MWF and I started feeling better within a week and a half.
Most GP docs do not know very much about HRT and I would advocate finding a HRT exclusive doc.
Good stuff was just put on trt and with the 200 every two weeks I was thinking maybe I should just stick with the good ol 1nc a week
AnonHonestly I'm loving my new dosing scheme 59mgs every 3 days and its cake. Use 25g pins by 5/8 and the dose is .25. It's like your barely taking anything but your test levels are stable as hell and with in normal range. I'll be doing some more blood test in a few weeks and ill post. When I was on 100mgs per week my trough level right before my next pin was 434 and that is just low. Yeah still normal but if I'm on trt I'd rather be a higher normal with less of an up and down hormone roller coaster. Discuss 50mgs every three days with your dr. They will be fine on it and in a few weeks they'll want to get your peak and trough levels taken
AnonJust realized I have a typo above. It should state my dose is 50mgs in the first sentence not 59. I apologize...
Any bloods on this yet?
AnonThey r in posted above link. I'll do another draw in another week or so at 48 hours post injection as well.
Perfect! Really interested. . Ru running hcg at all?
Nvmnd looks like u are.. I need to get that prescribed as well so I can still get my lady prego lol
AnonGetting them done this week bro. I'm going to get both peak and trough. I'll post when I get the results back.
Sounds good!
Are you using a 3ml syringe? or something smaller. I am thinking it would be pretty hard to measure such a small amount on a standard 3ml barrel.
AnonI use a 1mL syringe so it's accurate.
Definitely keep me posted on bloods!
AnonWill do!
If you are taking such such small doses and so frequently (good for you by the way thats the right way to do it) you can consider using a slin pin and going sub-q. you might have to redial a few things like estrogen and your total dose but then it really becomes a piece of cake.
AnonReally SQ?? Have you ever tried it and had bloods taken? The absorption rate would be much slower but it will definitely get absorbed and I'd imagine even less of a spike. Very interesting concept. Not sure if I want to be the guinea pig for that though lol.
Yes absolutely sub-q works. TRT patients have been doing it for a long time. A lot of them do fairly well some have problems with estrogen, like anything else your experience will be individualistic, but if it works for you it's a godsend because you avoid all the scar tissue and everything else associated with 30 years of biweekly injections.
I wrote another post that really didn't get a lot of attention/retraction. It's unrelated to TRT but will give you an idea of how simple things in one's protocol can manipulate outcomes with the same compound.
It can be seen here. The title is "How you inject, where you inject, and the mg per ml DO MATTER."
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/how-you-inject-where-you-inject-and-the-mg-per-ml-do-matter.
Sub q? Interesting never heard that! Would b so nice to b able to do this
Give it a shot (pun intended). You will have to get dialed in again. And watch your E2. Definitely worth a shot if you are TRT for life.
AnonNICE!!! Thanks bro!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYour Welcome.
Very good info. Lots to research and good info to bring to the table.
Thanks for sharing.
AnonNp glad I could help...
Biologic1If a doc recommends a 200 mg injection every 2 weeks, you need a new doc. My doc is a leading expert with dozens of publications. Everywhere I go, it seems half the older guys in the gym see him.
He is of the opinion that 200 mgs a week is safe, if your labs are good. He also likes you to come off for 1 month every 6 months. He prescribes a boatload of HCG (3kIUs e2d) for that month.
Personally, I like run 300 mgs a week using a twice a week injection schedule with some anavar. I also take a month off every 3 months. I will run a moderate cycle, take a month of, and then just cruise at 200 mgs a week for a couple of months.
A dex can easily drive estro too low. I also causes a loss in bone density. I take 1 1 mg tab once or twice a week. The other days I run Tamox.