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+ 4 WNBA player swapped for The Lord of War , Ret Marine Whelan left behind.

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Well I just had a very long thing typed out here and lost the whole thing so I’ll keep it short.

I’m glad she is home don’t get me wrong but we left a Marine behind. Biden says , “Russia is treating him differently “, than another prisoner of war etc…. “
That’s bullshit, it’s the poor weak negotiating skills that were used which is why Mr. Whelan is still rotting in a cell.
What is going on with this country? It’s not just this one topic, it’s Everything!

If Kane Velasquez was a cop, firefighter, etc, he would have gotten a medal. This Balenciaga/child porn&trafficking ring amongst the elite! Jeff Epstein girl Maxwell revealed hundreds of pages of documents of The Who’s and when’s, ( we all know where), and over a year later there hasn’t been one arrest? Do we forget or do they truly have diplomatic immunity. I’m no Kanye fan, but this is what he has been ranting and raving about.

Just my .2& wanted to hear y’all’s thoughts ,opinions,and if you have anything to add. I hope I put this in the proper column here,if not please let me know.

Bill1976's picture

You know what would be great. There is always some guy running in the ticket that nobody even mr heard of. It’s always some truck driver or factory worker that is one of us. Everybody ignores him and votes in the billionaires. Dems and republicans. They are having us believe we all hate each other and both parties have the presidency locked. What if just one time we voted for the blue collar guy. This is a guy who worried about his bills and 410k and jobs going overseas. They would have a fucking heart attack. Everybody should vote for the independent guy and see the bullshit they will put on the news . It will show their true colors. Imagine a blue collar guy as our next president. And I don’t want to hear he doesn’t know what he’s doing. We’re fucked right now. What have we got to lose. If he’s a blue collar guy he probably cares about his kind. That’s the democrats and republicans biggest fear. Is not fighting anymore with each other and getting one of our own in instead of some billionaire that pretends he’s one of us with regular problems.

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FJB's picture

I hate politics for this very reason. This administration sucks and I don't know how anyone with a brain can say otherwise. The stupidity is running rampant in this country. This is nothing but another attempt to buy votes.

UncleYoked's picture

I'd like to point out that Whelan wasn't retired. He was court martialed for larceny in the military and given a bad conduct discharge in 2008. He was also a police officer at some point in his life and did several tours.
After he was discharged he worked for a security company as a director, he may have been up to some shady shit but probably nothing out of the ordinary for anyone dealing in Russia.
The US Govt said that his charges were unfounded, cia of course denied it and said they would never recruit someone with his background.
It's good to have all the facts regardless of which side you fall on. It was a stupid fucking trade for sure.
if this was a stack of cards Griner is a 6 of clubs, Whelan a Jack of spades and they traded for an Ace.
Griner broke the law knowingly and was not worth that trade, both of them together wouldn't have been worth that trade but I wouldn't have accepted less than both. I am all for bringing people home but I am not for a bad deal. BOTH of their penalties were too harsh but he's done enough time, almost 5 years, someone who performed civil service and fought for his country, we don't know the full details of why he was DD but it doesn't negate what he has done before that.
This was a purely political deal and it's shameful.

Henry978's picture

I respect the way you told me I didn’t have all the facts or know the entire story. Which I admit I definitely don’t and the reason I posted this was to get opinions like yours , especially the information I wasn’t aware of. Just like at work talking about current events , shooting the shit, you know , you are a man of dignity and respect . I’ve seen you over the years here finally got to engage in convo. Thanks for being a gentleman, respectful, and spreading the knowledge. Enjoy your weekend Unc .

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DeeMan's picture

You and @Tricepatops made a good point. FACTS are what folks need before they assume. I'm all about facts. Now folks also tend to underestimate the power of evil Putin, and make no mistake he is evil, but the dude is no dummy at all, his end goal is to unite old USSR. It's chest with him and not checkers. I wish Mr Whelan well and hope he is released also. As far as the trade and Brittany we can all have our opinion but this whole thing shouldn't be political in my opinion. This world is such a mess.

Henry978's picture

You misunderstood my sarcasm and it’s okay. I’ve known for about 3years now they’ve been trying to get him out. Like Unc said above , if this was a stack of cards Griner is a 6 of clubs, Whelan a Jack of spades and they traded for an Ace. They got The El’ Chapo of highly sophisticated weapons of mass destruction and war to continue to terrorize. That’s what jails and prisons were built for, not mentally ill, drug addicts, or any other low level crime , they were built for The Lord of War, El Chapo Guzman, those sick fucking cult leader who rape little children ( Cardinal Law anyone?)& the list goes on. I was more focusing on the trade, not so much the pawns, knights, or rooks if you catch my drift. Lastly, I can’t answer your question, I don’t have enough factual information. Imo though we
Americans are pretty predictable to outsiders, as for this negotiation, whoever said yes 1st lost. Trust and believe Russia wanted that man, his connections, his intelligence, and whatever else comes along with him. Extremely powerful man here.

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Pumped_'s picture

They did offer to trade for Vadim Krasikov a colonel russian spy doing life in Germany. But Germany said "USA is on their own!"

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Pumped_'s picture

Yes Russia claims that Whelan is an American agent and insisted that he would only be exchanged for a Russian counterpart or someone of similar stature.

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UncleYoked's picture

Would be a terrible trade.
It's very possible whelan actually is a spy. Playing the cia game, he could have been groomed for years with his larceny being part of his cover.

JakeKO's picture

My thoughts exactly! They have to make him look like a defect or people would automatically assume he is working for our government. Putin may be a Tyrant, but the guy isn’t dumb. If he claims the guy is a spy, and put him in prison for it, 99% chance he is a spy and valuable to the United States. If he were just an American defect, working for a security company, and got caught doing something shady in Russia, they would have put a bullet in his head and called it a day. The guy is probably an outstanding and intelligent lifer marine, recruited by the CIA for covert missions. Who else would they recruit for that position???? Think about it.

Bill1976's picture

A marine who fought for his country is less important than a Basket ball player that said she hates her country and wouldn’t even leave the dressing room for the national anthem. These guys hate America.
Think about this. Biden has a granddaughter that he won’t acknowledge because she’s not in his class. She 4 years old. If he is that cold hearted to snub his blood granddaughter then how much do you think he cares for you?

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Henry978's picture

Quite a coincidence hub? Lol
This is as liberal as it gets. Get the WNBA colored woman( that’s a good chunk of liberal votes) or the Ret. Marine Whelan?
For the Dems it was a no brainer.
Well we know who Brittany will vote for when Obama runs again for the 4th time. Lol

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DeeMan's picture

Colored woman lol? I don't think that word is used anymore when referring to Africa Americans or Black people. Yea that's definitely a 60"s word. I see someone negged ya.

Greg's picture

They're the ones going Do-do-do, do-do, do-do-do. Do, do-do, do-do, do-do-do. Do, do-do, do-do, do-do-do...

DeeMan's picture

Lol. I agree

Bill1976's picture

I hate it when people say my daughter is black. She both white and black. I hate it when anybody from either race reject her white side. She has my genes as well as her moms. And I gotta go because she wants me to play video games with her. I hate video games lol.

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DeeMan's picture

You always keep it real and you know I respect that.

DeeMan's picture

Yea I understand. Not sure why they reject her white side. But glad you are being a good father to your pretty daughter. Kids are innocent, not us adults lol. We can be very very nasty. I love kids but I can be nasty to nasty adults.

Bill1976's picture

No, he could have freed more Americans. He’s weak at negotiating and that’s it. There are many more Americans he could have freed he just don’t care. Mark Fogul is in Russian prison for less pot than her. He’s 61 and will probably die in there. Biden left him to Rot. He’s a weak ass president. Obama started that war in Ukraine 9 years ago because he wanted that energy deal forced down Ukraine throat. So the civil war breaks out and there was supposed to be two nations. The DPR and Ukraine. Nope. Biden and Hunter need all that oil and natural gas for his Burisma dealings so they Bombed DPR for 8 years. Just like Obama and Biden did on Syria Egypt Libya. Our politicians don’t care about us. They care about getting elected. And getting oil money. Every one of them. Griner was front page news so he got her out. That way it looks good for election. Russia isn’t right for what it’s doing but our government started that war 9 years ago. Obama and biden

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FJB's picture

I resent that remark lmao

DeeMan's picture

All politicians are dirty period...All! Dems blame Republican and vice versa lol. It will never end, it's beyond rediculous and the approval rating in D.C shows this clearly lol.

Henry978's picture

Thank you Bill for bringing me up to speed with this. Also for sharing your knowledge with us. Much appreciated bro.

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Bill1976's picture

It a problem. The said part is that the people of Ukraine have to suffer. I had a buddy over there. He overdosed in Israel two years ago. He would always send me these food packs from Ukraine. Customs would let me keep the canned fish, jerky and cheese but customs would always confiscate the sausages. Not sure why they kept the sausages.

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Bill1976's picture

You didn’t know that Obama and Biden admin. Led the coup in Ukraine in 2014? They kicked out yanukovich. An elected leader and put poroshenko in. The US picked the next leader of Ukraine. They were going to kick out Klitchko too. Guess who was working for one of the largest energy companies while over there? Hunter Biden.

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Bill1976's picture

It’s fucked up because two governments want oil money but the people that pay are the guys like us. They send us to fight for their oil money.I think next time a politician wants to iverthrow a government they should send their kids not just ours. This goes for both sides. Bush for Iraq! No weapons of mass destruction. Obama was Ukraine. And look at Syria. A country that had peace for 40 years that wasn’t threatening Israel and they overthrew their government over a pipeline he rejected. fucking oil. Greed and money.

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FJB's picture

Then you don't make the trade. WTF has she done for this country? You're right, NOTHING!

FJB's picture

I don't think it was Joe's daughter that was in prison. But I'm pretty sure his son should be lmao

Pumped_'s picture

100% agree with you. It wasnt a negotiation it was a surrender and all the other countries are laughing at us. But, do people even still say "colored"?! Thats so 1960s lingo, you can say "black" its ok lol. What about all the other americans that Kamala Harris locked up in California for weed when she was D.A.? They arent supposedly unlawfully detained? What hypocrisy. Yes! Liberals are destroying this country. Imma rob someone today and say "there was no intent". Wonder if ill get off.

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JakeKO's picture

That bitch will probably come back and badmouth her government for not getting her out quicker. Why the fuck are you going to a country that is at war right now, and stupid enough to bring carts with her??? It’s just like those basketball players that Trump had released. Their father was pissed off that they weren’t brought back on Air Force One. How about staying the fuck out of trouble? That might be a good idea?

Regarding the law Lord of war, you guys should watch the show “ the blacklist” if you haven’t already. This world is so corrupt, and the elite underground runs it all one way or another. Biden is just there Patsy, but is being compensated very well for being so.

FlemDaddyKush's picture

For real, she trash talks america in the past and we go and get her free and she will probably still trash talk america.

Henry978's picture

We call this celebrity justice here in America.
To even think this term actually has meaning and is true is even sicker.

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simonmagus84's picture

Priorities.

Makwa's picture

He is now once again going to be supplying weapons to terrorists who are now going to kill untold numbers of innocent people....and we got a stoner basketball player in return....wooohoooo

Henry978's picture

Makwa, that’s like trading a ton of rice for a ton of gold . Yes we did get another soldier from North Texas I believe, but this Marine Whelan was over there rotting for 3.5yrs trying to get out before sports star even got caught. That 9 months she just did just boosted TD out of her “clout”. Now she’ll become a prison activist, write a book, maybe a podcast, speak about how drugs ruin lives. There’s so many marketable ways she could spin this and monetize her experience.
Bottom line , nothing will change except the amount in her bank account, hopefully we’ll get a leader who is competent enough to negotiate with real criminals and savage military leaders. Americans are just too use to throwing money at the problem and watching the problem vanish. Now we are in bed with Putin.
I remember Trump was over there many many times sitting next to Putin , laughing, shaking hands & keeping the peace. I believe Trump “could” have gotten Whelan out. At the same time, Trump ain’t dumb enough to trade THE LORD OF WAR to the country we will have nuclear exchange with within the next 25 years.

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Henry978's picture

No idea buddy, I don’t have all the answers your looking for, I’m asking the same questions above. Maybe Trump could have gotten Whelan but wasn’t giving up The Lordof War for him idk bro. He had to pardon Lil Wayne, Kodak Black & some other big celebrities who had lengthy Federal sentences (10yrs for Wayne if I’m not mistaken). Maybe that’s why.

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