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Stories of 9/11 still get me choked up. Hearing the last words a dad uttered to his wife and kids over a crap[py cel line, or even voicemails left. Looking at the hole in the NYC skyline chokes me up, and seeing the towers in old movies does ot too. I remember the night it happened, there was no air traffic, the sky was so quiet, broken by the the boom of a massive thunder stom. I was so on edge I nearly jumped through the ceiling.
I didnt loose my spouse brother , or son like so many around me did. I can only imaging the loss they feel as so many loved ones were torn from us all that day.
Just a thread to say I remember like it was yesterday, my heart goes out to those who gave and those who lost.
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AnonI would like to say to everyone, that my intent in writing this thread was just a simple rememberance, and paying respects. I wrote and posted this on Sept 10th .
I understand that everyone has ideas and questions and I certainly enjoy a good argument , but I was thinking the thread could stay more as a dedication than a debate.
Good reminder! Let it be just that and respect the OP's post! I apologize for diverting the intent on my part.:)
AnonUgh those fuckers who think 9/11 was an inside job piss me off!....sorry details lol
Those who know don't tell! And those that tell don't know. Unless people have a background in the intelligence field all the statements without evidence are nothing more than ridiculous. People have a right to their opinion no matter how asinine it is!
True, being able to fly in the first place was asinine once!
9/11 was an inside job.
For the sake of innocent blood split, anyone still thinks the official take on 9/11 a bit fishy?
bbondsNo doubt, real fishy.
sgtstedankoThe official take, being terrorists flying planes into wtc's & the pentagon?
Well that the greatest military in the world could not stop a bunch of amateur pilots in satellite tracked planes clearly going off course before having its transponder shut off so close to a no fly zone (I mean WTF, it doesn't get more red flagged than that). Apparently the air force were tripping over themselves, seems a little too convenient that they were running those War Games drills, which were a practically identical simulation to what was really happening, and on the very same day and time 9/11 happened.
Seems to me someone wanted NORAD to be blinded and paralyzed, for whatever interests, and let 9/11 happen...
sgtstedankoWait... It's the military's fault? Af, tripping all over themselves to get clearance to shoot down planes over nyc, w/as little collateral damage ad possible. Don't sound easy peezy to me, brother. I personally believe the Military could have possibly prevented them from flying those planes into the buildings. Had they not had to jump through so many hoops, before acting. If they ran shit like military installation. But, then that infringes on personal freedoms, for safety type of thing... Flying a plane is not hard, unless you're doing some blue Angel shit. Landing a plane. That's the tricky part. Any dumbshit can run his truck into a telephone pole, kind of thing. As far as to the why is wasn't prevented. I've heard it explained to me, that It's like looking for specific needles in a needle stack, inside a hay stack, while trying to figure out the old freshman year math problem: If a train leaves the station, yada yada yada. There's honestly a "war game" of some sort, going on somewhere all the time, anytime. Training makes perfection possible. At least on paper :/
I absolutely beleive that, Nobody would've LET 9-11 happen. What happened, happened,as a result of some people just didn't sift through the right pile of shit to find that certain peanut, so to speak. Or maybe debated the fact that somebody found that peanut months beforehand, & wanted to back track it to its more dangerous point of origin. The gov, certainly didn't have a hand in it. There, sadly are plenty of people in the world that don't like you. Willing to kill you. Trust me
Not blaming the Military, they're just following orders. What I have issues with is odds of having an AF training drill on the day and time of the attack so similar to the actual hijacking that the soldiers didn't even know whether the hijacking was real or a drill. How could the hijackers get so damn lucky. Lets say the AF was on standby, they definitely would have a chance to intercept the planes over non inhabited land for the most part. I'm in no position to say they should've made that call to shoot a plane down full of passengers but if I were a passenger I would have wanted that.
What about the pentagon, why did it sustain so little damage when they say a 747 hit it but it didn't even make a hole on impact whereas in nyc it brought the WTC down demolition style? I remember they were saying they recovered the ID's of the hijackers in the rubble at ground zero but they also said in DC the jet engines melted into nothing so could not be found!
There were even conspiracy theorists who apparently predicted it earlier in 2001 as some false flag against the American people so that they could invade the middle east for oil resources. Which btw is really happening now as I see Exxon is pushing to claim some of the oil fields. I watched a few documentaries about it many years ago and some of it was hard to overlook, violations of physics and chemistry.
http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/government-lies/911-10yrs/intro.html
Maybe it was just worst case scenario that came to fruition with a set of highly unlikely events, as hard as its is to swallow. Whatever happened I just hope the millions of innocents who died on 9/11 and as a result of it can find peace and have been brought justice...
All I can is anyone who thought that the damage at the pentagon wasn't substantial was not there! I was there. Without going into logistics the Pentagon was designed to be a hard target, for the very reason to insure its logistical survival. Unlike the towering Trade Centers which were not designed at all to withstand a strategic attack.
sgtstedankoBig fucking sigh!
You & Jesse (scruffy retard) Ventura, need to get together & go golfing : )
Seriously though. The authorization, had to be virtually impossible to get, @ the time. Now, probably much easier... I mean fuck dude. If MOHAM FAOUZIMOH AM ADAYOUB, & Bin laden's ghost were walking in the local Costco here, while I'm building stockpiles of tuna & chickens. If I wanted to go through proper channels, it'd probably take a week or so. At least. Not even mentioning paperwork just to smoke those worthless infected cheese Dicks. I really can't imagine the logistics, bureaucratic red tape. All the second guessing, etc. That the higher ups had to go through. The Af honestly do run drills, all the time. As every branch of the military does/did. The Timing was purely coincidence, brother. What would you rather have them train to do, instead of shooting down rogue aircraft, over their home state; save kitties from trees? As far as the pentagon sustaining no damage. Dude, I was there, it was fucked up pretty good, considering. (not there there, when it happened. I got to visit) Pretty cool place to go visit & see, BTW... If we wanted oil so badly, why not just invade north Dakota? The trade centers came down. Because of engineering & physics, brother. Few things would still be standing, I'd think. I mean really think about it, dude. How high up they were, the stress fractures on the supporting structures/beams, tilting off the buildings axis, , etc, etc, etc. Not to mention the added weight. & the whole thing being full of rocket fuel, that ended up exploding... Nobody's out to get anything but Your $, bubba, relax... & yes, we landed on the moon to! : )
Cheers
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“How is a military drilled and trained to defend freedom, peace and happiness? This is what Major General O'Ryan has to say of an efficiently trained generation: ‘The soldier must be so trained that he becomes a mere automoton; he must be so trained that it will destroy his initiative; he must be so trained that he is turned into a machine. The soldier must be forced into the military noose; he must be jacked up; he must be ruled by his superiors with pistol in hand.' This was not said by a Prussian Junker; not by a German barbarian… but by an American major general. And he is right. You cannot conduct war with equals; you cannot have militarism with free born men; you must have slaves, automotons, machines,obedient disciplined creatures, who will move, act, shoot and kill at the command of their superiors. That is preparedness, and nothing else.” Emma Goldman, Preparedness: The Road to Universal Slaughter
Dude, Bin Laden ghosts roaming around a wholesale chain? They would probably have been just stocking up on tuna as well, I'd say four 250 ft 747s nearly simultaneously taking U-turns to the heart of NYC and DC as a major concern, enough to over look protocol! Heck, they could've at least dispatched a few F-15s just to scout the situation and try to short wave the pilots or something. I guess the training drills was just too damn important, who cares about American lives anyway right? What decently run military leaves its entire county's airspace unattended just for some random training mission, with no reserves on standby whatsoever back at base?! Even my free version of AVG doesn't shutdown its real-time protection just to do a database update. We all due respect Sarg, but you insult all those AF pilots, who trained their whole lives for that day, by saying they were too amateur in protocol/execution to even think on their feet pro actively.
As for the Pentagon, sure the damage was substantial... for a damn car bomb explosion or something, but not a fking 757 collision traveling at 400mph. The supposed plane didn't even break a hole in the walls yet its wreckage is nowhere to be seen outside. Am I to believe all its debris, its gigantic frame, wheels, engine and all somehow fitted neatly through the windows then vaporized in the fires?? Sure you may show a picture where there is what seems to be hole but that was after the collapse which happened long after the actual impact! Also they seem to have somehow successfully extinguished the fires with regular water and not a much required surfactant foam, anyone who's done at least undergrad science will tell you that jet fuel is lighter than water and that water wont do shit to extinguish it.
As for the trade center coming down because of physics, can't argue with that but sure doesn't seem to have been caused by the planes impact nor the oxygen starved fires it caused. You do know they were steel framed buildings, those fires could not have caused their colossal tempered steel beams to melt and fail especially lower down in the building so far from the jet fuel. Even if it did, for arguments sake, how did the buildings fall at a constant rate from top to bottom. Wouldn't it start slowly and speed up as more floors fail and add to the force with which the floor immediately below is overcome?
Why is it that the pentagon, the most secure building on earth, could only release such pathetic footage of the actual impact. It wasn't even clear that the projectile was even a plane. I thought they had high speed facial recognition CCTV cameras covering every angle, why give the public a 1 fps video recorded from what seemed to be toaster? Something to hide?
Also, did you know that there was major shorting going on in airline stocks days before it happened, another coincidence right? What lucky people, making billions for gambling on airline stocks. Yikes, they were almost as lucky as the terrorists! Why does nothing like that ever happen to me :(
Trust me the list goes on, forget what MSNBC said, do your own research and come up with your own conclusion. As for me, I think 9/11 should never be forgot... Peace
Come on bro, you seem like a real smart guy. Do some research about the anomalies of that day , especial operation able danger. Also look into project for a new American century "rebuilding America's defenses " good place to start about events that day. Operation was a set up for many reasons most of which we will never know, but some reasons are obvious seeming how foreign and domestic policy has played out since .
Terephthalic Pt...X2
Not to mention how difficult it would have been to get clearance to shoot down a plane loaded with CIVILIAN passengers. Plus the phone calls made on the plane describing the event. Plus the fact that the United States government would have very little to gain and a lot to lose from destroying the WTC. That was the WORLD TRADE CENTER. It was a huge part of our economy. Those Muslims aren't dumb. They didn't just target that building because of all the people inside. It really hurt us financially.
Have you tried making a cellphone call from a plane?
Terephthalic Pt...You do realize they have plane phones right? They used to be a lot more common on the back of the plane chairs.
Oh, Yeah though it was relatively a new thing
sgtstedankoFriendship requested, like minded individual : )
Terephthalic Pt...Yeah man. Always nice to have rational friends. Plus I have a tremendous amount of respect for people who served in the armed forces.
sgtstedankoGood stuff. Really a nice post. I lost an uncle, & two friends that day. I remember it like it was yesterday, as well. Thanks, brother : )
AnonThank you Sarge , and thank you for your service.
Im sorry it seems as if we got off on the wrong foot . For whatever its worth Im sorry for my role in that failed intro between us, not the best way to meet people and make friends. I thank you for relating to my sentiments, and thank you for the compliment on the thread. I look forward to getting to know and understand you on a better level , and also work on my self in being more understanding of other points of view.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinksgtstedankoWell, fuck me. I was all ready to get into it w/you. Ah come here you'se
Thank you : ) may god bless you & keep you safe, brother... I'm sorry as well. Agree or disagree that's okay. There's a valid reasoning behind the old post. Pm me, I'll tell you why. Otherwise, bodybuilder knows why I was pissed that day. If you want to know. Cool. I have to remind myself all the time. To Try not to have tunnel vision. Remembering to Try to keep an open mind and be receptive to other ideas and opinions. It ain't easy, sometimes. Offer knowledge; on this site I see a whole lot of wisdom and power readily available. It would be a shame to waste it.
I was work yesterday signing off charts with the date 9/11, when it hit me. There is no Tv in the nurses station, and I couldn't believe that I had totally missed what the day was halfway thru. Its hard to believe how many years have gone by. It seems that many have returned to that mindset we had before the attacks. Just look how divided we are as we move closer to the upcoming election. That togetherness we had as a nation was something to behold. Its a shame that it takes a tragedy to pull us together, its a greater shame that we have to wait for the next one to pull together again.
MSNBC, instead of airing the Moment of Silence aired an interview with the Kardashian mom and talked about her breast reductions. WTF?
AnonActually it was NBC during the Today show. WTF is right, but the question is not even how could a program director be so stupid, but also how can a country give a shit about all this other crap like the kardashians ?
Of all days to take a break from the horseshit the networks produce ,and try to remember whats important it should have been yesterday.
You are right it was NBC. Douche bags.
Anonagreed.
I was just heading back to base from a 2 week leave getting ready for deployment. My first deployment was a beer cruise hitting all the whore houses in every port. I knew right away where we were headed on this deployment. No fun at ports, but was pissed and ready to kick ass. I made it back without a scratch and feel for my bros that got fucked up or didn't make it back at all.
I remember the next day walking into a physics class and there was a kid in the class from Iraq. He had this look on his face that is hard to describe. You could see the worry in his eyes and he was projecting a look.. kind of a worried smile. Like "Oh shit please don't take this out on me."
Regretfully, I stared at him the etire class period with a my best "I'm going to kill you bitch" look. Hoping he would make eye contact with me. I don't know why I did it, and truth be told, I'm actually ashamed of my self for being so ignorant at the time. I just didn't know where to take out my frustrations.
CleyonI went to lunch with a couple of buddies the day after, one of them IS Muslim, and the other one is Indian. They got the worst looks you could imagine! My Muslim friend just said, "Can you blame them?" he's from Kuwait, and new exactly how nuts the Wahabis are.
That was some crazy shit. That morning, I had gotten back from the gym, flipped on the TV and saw one of the world trade centers burning on TV. The news people didn't seem know it was a terrorist attack at the time, just thought it was an accident. After a few minutes, I saw the other plane hit the second tower. Every detail of that day will be burned into my memory. Holy hell it something I'll never forget.
What stands out to me the most is how everyone came together afterwards. We were all a family, we put all bullshit politics aside and we did what we could to help each other. Probably the first time in my life that I really realized how great the United States of America really is.
CleyonThat morning is seered in my memory. I had been at work till 2am the night before, and was woken up by my wife after the first plane hit. I walked into the living room just in time to see the second plane hit. I immediately knew that they had been hijacked, and we were at war, but my first question was "Where's Dad". My Dad is a pilot, and at the time was flying 767s for Continental. Just seeing that plane hit the tower I knew what type it was (hey, I've been around planes my whole life), so I was scared to death until I got a hold of him.
zewiGood stuff.
CleyonBeautifly sais Novi, thank you.
May we never forget. Thanks for the perspective and reminder.
tread-mNice words, thank you.