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Winstrol, or "winny", is one of the steroids most commonly suggested for women (along with anavar and primobolan). Winstrol comes in both oral and water-based injectable form. Although I have found it in an oil based injectible which is preferable to the water based, which has to be injected more frequently than the oil based injectible. It is attractive for women because it is an oral, it has a relatively short half-life and detection time (i.e .it clears the system relatively quickly, reducing the duration of any undesirable sides following completion of a cycle), and promotes lean muscle mass without water retention.
Winstrol is also attractive as it tends to be both cheaper and more readily available than anavar or primobolan. Because of this, it is also less likely to be faked.

Winstrol is often grouped with anavar as a good steroid for "beginners' or those who don't want to go into the more aggressive compounds (i.e. injectables). However it is more androgenic than anavar and sides are less predictable and more unique to the individual, with the potential of being very androgenic. Because of this, anavar would generally be the better recomendation, but winstrol is seen as a viable alternative. As an androgenic compound, it also has a ‘fat burning' effect.

Winstrol is used by both men and women as a cutting compound. It promotes lean, hard muscle mass without water retention. It is often looked at as a muscle "hardner" typically used in a stack for pre-contest cutting.

Oral Winstrol: Can be cycled similarly to anavar.

o Dose: 5-15 mg/day- split the dose ½ in the AM, ½ in the PM
o Duration: 8-12 weeks
o Takes about 10-14 days to "show" itself.

· Injectable Winstrol:
o Dose: 25 mg E3D
o Duration: 8-12 weeks
· If chosen to include in a competition cutting stack, schedule towards the final weeks of prep. It takes about 2 weeks to "show" itself.

Typical Sides:
· Interrupted period/flow - may take a few months for the flow to come back as normal.
· May still experience usual menstrual sides (cramps, bloating, etc.) on your regular menstrual schedule.
· Mild to aggressive acne on face or shoulders
· Clitoral enlargement and increased sensitivity
· Oily skin / hair
· Hairloss
· Scratchy throat / cracky or deepening voice
· Dry joints
· may cause vaginosis / yeast infection (most any AAS has this potential)
· People will occasionally experience flu-like symptoms within the first week or two of a winstrol cycle in response to this compound.
. people may also experience joint pain as it "dries" out the joints. (see my post on winny vs deca for a more technical description of what is happening physiologically)

Happygolucky's picture

I was on a winsrol and anavar cycle for 6 weeks and lost 13 kg and my body looks tight with no flabby bits

Pockets75's picture

How much of each

Msfit007's picture

I've tried winny 10 mg day splitting 5 mg morning 5mg afternoon and I had better results than with primo and I had less sides than with primo. Just a little deeper voice which faded when I stopped, I had has to keep an eye of my body hair and the most down side was the acne that started to appear in my back/shoulders which had to be treated.

kodiakGRRL's picture

how many weeks .... primo results are going to be more dependent upon what you looked like prior to starting dosages and DIET

porter5's picture

i've done a cycle of var, but never stacked anavar with winny. any suggestions?

kodiakGRRL's picture

Bindi is right stay away from Winstrol its overly harsh on your entire system and why stack with Anavar it's redundant

Bindi13's picture

Just personal opinion, stay away from winny. To harsh on your joints. I felt grainy the whole time. If u do decide to stack I would stay 10 mg var and 10 mg win. No more. Most women need no more than 10 mg var, but I would up it to 15 mg instead of stacking with winny.

Melo's picture

Hey I'm comming back to the gym, I used to use injectables and it worked. I quit once goal was reached, however the fat is back and am looking for a supplier who dosent require a HUGE min order amount. Any ideas? I've looked into the US supplier pipeline but don't have all day to search any deeper. Any help will be appreciated X 10000!
Tx, Melo

Mandi's picture

My main supplier for fat loss is the grocery store, I keep to the outside isles to find, meat, fruit, vegis.. ;) its not about gear to loose weight, they are designed to build muscle. Sorry, not trying to be rude but man there have been a lot of female post lately about taking gear to loose weight.

kodiakGRRL's picture

Mandi is spot dude if you cant deal with that then just hit the power button or cruise on somewhere else ... no one else seems to be crying when told to alter their diet if they want to lose weight and tone up

Mandi's picture

Wow...really? So you think a female taking gear is the answer to fat loss? SHM.... Have you even read the majority of answers to this question by 1/2 of the new members coming on to loose weight and get in shape. Food is the answer, not gear. And it was advice and good advice at that. Did you even read her stats and what she was asking?

Lem408's picture

Hello KODIAKGRRL,

I am new to the 'juice' community and have two questions. I've been taking HGH for the last 2 months and love it. However, I would like to try Winny (oil based) along with HGH. What are your suggestions on the dosage/x per week? I'd like to take the lowest dosage possible w/out sacrificing results. What is NPP?

I had my blood work done and have a clean bill of health. I am also weight training 3x per week and Muay Thai 3x per week. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

kodiakGRRL's picture

see my reply to your post ... my opinion is to stick to the diet ..

NPP ...nothing you want to try especially if you are looking to lose weight

santiaga's picture

If you can afford anavar please dont go this way. Let alone sandpaper joints a.k.a painful leg days, back days hepatotoxicity is more than enough repel factor. GRRL is the expert here but if I want to go for "hardner" anavar bold ace would be my choice. If I want to go for "quality mass" test prop and npp. Finally best of both worlds "quality size but not necessarily mass" primo is my girl.

Ps for GRRL: Courtesy of daddy dearest I have been on pharma grade primo for 10 weeks. During previous cycles when I was on primo I had a little bit sides nothing serious but they were there. But during this cycle almost none as if I was using this new "magic supplement". Could you please share your unmatchable pearls of wisdom?

santiaga's picture

I'm glad that winny works for you. Everyone has their favorite and least favorite compounds. Afterall we all have our own unique biochemistry it is really different strokes for different folks:)

However winny is still more toxic than other oral compounds (primo ace and anavar I assume you will never touch halo) just in case I would keep a close eye on liver enzyme levels it is the best indicator of hepatotoxicity.

The most important enzymes are AST (aspartate aminotransferase), ALT (alanine aminotransferase), alkaline phosphotase, and bilirubin. These four enzymes are normally checked as a part of a "chem screen," a panel of tests that your doctor probably orders every time you have blood drawn to check your CD4 cells and viral load.

Be safe:)

santiaga's picture

Your welcome:)

Have you tried oral or injectible version? I've never tried oral version but from what I have heard oral primo is usually hit or miss. On this board there are great sources and I am sure their products are genuine and optimally dosed but due to its higher raw material cost primo is usually faked. If you can find pharma grade injectible version or high quality ugl product give it another shot. It may surprise you:)

santiaga's picture

Your welcome:)

Have you tried oral or injectible version? I've never tried oral version but from what I have heard oral primo is usually hit or miss. On this board there are great sources and I am sure their products are genuine and optimally dosed but due to its higher raw material cost primo is usually faked. If you can find pharma grade injectible version or high quality ugl product give it another shot. It may surprise you:)

kodiakGRRL's picture

I would imagine your pharma grade primo doesn't have any additives in it that your ugl primo does. I know that even when I run 98% 'pure' primo I will get a bit of acne and will often retain a bit of water although nothing crazy ;-)

I heartily agree with your assessment of winstrol the internal damage it does far outweighs any visual benefits

santiaga's picture

Thank you so much for your reply:)

If I could manage to pass customs I would bring batches and batches of pharma grade primo to my primo loving eroiders. Test p and primobolan are the only legal AAS in Turkey and they are virtually free for MDs.

GRRL preworkout injectible l carinitine and clen usually help me with water retention maybe they could be useful for you too

kodiakGRRL's picture

thank you for the tip on the pre work out However due to medical reasons I cannot use clen ... not to mention that water retention assists with strength and when the cycle is completed the water weight goes away ;-)

santiaga's picture

Let me guess Asthma? Injectible carnitine clen and EPO were classic pre comp stack for water polo and butterfly team. However one of our gals had asthma therefore EPO and clen were off the table poor thing had to go through with cortisone shots.

I know I know water equals heavier reps but when
I have to wear slim fit shirts for weekly meetings I feel so self conscious around cardio queen pilates loving malnourished coworkers Smile

kodiakGRRL's picture

I am have gotten so big that I m easily twice the size of the cardio queen pilates loving malnourished co workers so a little bit of water doesn't do much .... lol... my shorts are short but I m not slim ;-)

santiaga's picture

Always wise and humble:) I've seen your abs ma'am you are drop dead gorgeous

fitbish21's picture

I have been working with a coach to do my diet, and I have been cheating so hard the past 3 days it's so frustrating. I feel like I put a complete halt on all my results (shitty mindset) I want to shed fat and be lean I know I have to keep my diet in check but oddly enough I think taking something will motivate me to continue and to push. The problem is i feel my BF is high probably 20 -ish percent. I know var will give me that thicker look,I'm already think right now haha! I know these aren't magic pills and results don't happen over night- but do you think running split at 2.5 mg a day will help me lean out? Im doing weights 5 times a week & fasted cardio 5 days a week 4 HITT and the 2 other days (40 mins mod) I'll bang it out after the weights.

kodiakGRRL's picture

I think you already know the answer to that ;-)

fitbish21's picture

ah damn you! I have seen your name pop up alot on this website, I always take time out to read your posts, and your responses and knowledge you have is very admirable & you still continue to be right haha.

kodiakGRRL's picture

send me a list of what foods you are eating

fitbish21's picture

sent you a request, thanks!

kodiakGRRL's picture

got it

Winjp's picture

Ok I sure will, thanks again your awesome!

Winjp's picture

I've always stuck with it, just seems like I work my ass off and feel I should see better results then I am. Thanks for all your amazing advice kodiakgrrl. I sent you a friends request. You really know your shit.

kodiakGRRL's picture

I got it .. send me a message with specific goals issues etc.. I might be a day or two in answering but maybe we can figure out something that will kick start you and you'll get some postive feedback that will keep you going.. I know how much it helps to see results .. they really keep you going

Irishluck531's picture

Hey private message me please. I have some questions I would like to ask and get ur opinion on

Winjp's picture

Ty kodiakgrrl and littletigar, after all the research I did yesterday I have changed my mind completely about winny. I am doing everything I can possibly do to change my body. Gym 6 days a week lifting, cardio etc. I just don't see the results and get discouraged and frustrated. I have now been thinking a lot about trying var after all the shit tons of reading (mostly kodiakgrrls post) I just need to see a change big or small to keep my sanity. But I am also scared to try anything because I never have before.

kodiakGRRL's picture

this is something for the long haul... I ve been doing this for 20some years ... various sports, martial arts, back to bbing and powerlifting and then off to something else... when I started .. I was a 135lbs..single digit bodyfat percentages... now I vary between 217 -230 with body fat around 18-20 percent. I could care less about being in the low teens are single digits in bf anymore.. but the point is it took a LONG time to get here. The best part was/is seeing the changes over time.. they do come you just can't quit before you get there.

lusciousrauen15's picture

I like your post. It is very true success doesn't come overnight. It definitely takes time. I always say when you want as bad as you want to breath then you will succeed!

Winjp's picture

I am going to try win in a few weeks. I've never done anything like this before and getting it from a guy my husband knows... I've read everything I've found about it and like your forum. But I don't know how much to take or what mgs it's going to be how often etc... Also is it even worth trying, I want fast major results if I'm going to do this. Any advice??

kodiakGRRL's picture

read the above post again and read the below post several times

littletigar24's picture

Hormones can affect every part of your body and sometimes in negative ways. Often times the negitive ways are things that affect the very core of our femininity. So on this site, we encourage the exhaustion of every other natural avenue before turning to things like winny. Are you doing everything in your power to change your body before you interduce a foreign substance that could change your mood, cycle patterns, hair growth patterns, voice quality and skin integrity? The way to get "fast major results" is to do a complete and utter overhaul on your life. Throw out EVERYTHING with white sugar in it, corn syrup or high fructose syrup. Get rid of EVERYTHING with white flour in it. Fill your fridge and cuboards with nutritional whole foods like chicken, steak, turkey, nuts, fruits, veggies, healthy starches, seeds like chia seeds and flax, and healthy dairy. Start a food diary and write down what you eat in a typical week. Go online and find out what your total daily enery expediture is. Evaluate this compared to your current diet and adjust to your goal. If you are not already at the gym, Make time in your schedule to go at least three to four times a week. Get a girl friend and try out a couple online trainer guides to help you get into lifting. Jamie Easton has a great starter one for women who are a little intimidated by lifting.
If you are not already doing everything you can to make your body the best it can be, then no there is no point in trying winny because it is not a magic weight loss drug. Or else every single girl in the world that tried it would look like a fitness model. The girls we see on TV and magazine make their whole life about fitness. They are in the gym everyday and eating clean almost every day to get the results you see. In order to see those results, you have to do the same thing. There is no shortcut. No easy way out. You get out what you put in. That is how you see fast major results.

lusciousrauen15's picture

This post is so true! Heavy Squats! Heavy Bench, Heavy Deads. with a little bit of winny and its game on!

kodiakGRRL's picture

If I could .. I d give you all my points for this post

littletigar24's picture

Your kudos speaks more volume then points, thanks grrl Smile

Joojabu's picture

Winny (min dosage) is great for women when cutting.

BWM's picture

Thank you for all the information. I am planning to start this week and was a bit scared. I have never taking anything before. My boyfriend recommend winny since I've been working out for 2 years and haven't really toned up. I posted on your other blog about anavar. What would you suggest Oral or injections?

I'm 5'4, 125 pounds ...My profile pic shows my recent body structure (3 weeks ago)

kodiakGRRL's picture

I d go with injectible if you can find an oil based one. Winny is not my favorite compound it is in fact one of my least favorites .. but you may find that it works well for you .. most people will either love it or hate it. Please keep close tabs on your cholesterol levels as winstrol will actively lower your good cholesterol and increase the bad cholesterol ... you may also find that if you have joint problems that winstrol will make them worse .. it removes the estrogen from your joints making them feel dry

BWM's picture

I started the Winny on Saturday. Question I'm doing 1cc, is that the same as 25mg?