+ 1 NPP affects on testosterone
I am a new user and currently at the beginning of my 12 week prep. I've only used Anavar in the past once while in figure and am now moving into physique. I used NPP during offseason and now this is my second time. I get my hormone levels checked often because I do not want any of the high testosterone side effects. During offseason I got them tested while taking NPP, and my testosterone was in the 900s. That was right at the end of my cycle or had I known I probably would have stopped the NPP. I'm super lucky nothing detrimental happened. All that I noticed was my hair on my legs got a little thicker and I broke out after coming off but have always had clear skin so this was a mess. My voice got raspy not deeper but that went away. I was told by my coach that NPP should not affect my testosterone level. In fact it might do the opposite and suppress it. So he didn't think the NPP was real. Another coach told me all gear except Var and Mast will affect your testosterone majorly. I got it from another source this time and decided to go get tested after 2 weeks of use and it was in the 1200s. Again high testosterone. Does anyone know if NPP affects your test levels like this? Or does this mean the NPP is most likely just deca and test? I was taking 25mg Mondays and Thursdays. I have recently been told I never should have been on NPP as a female and would've been much better off with Primo. Does anyone have any thoughts? I have 4 more weeks left of the NPP cycle. Trying decide whether to just stop for 4 weeks and then start my Anavar and Winstrol I'm supposed to take for 8 weeks before my show.
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Just to clear things up primo is not a dht derivative. Probably the biggest misconception out there. It's infact derived from dihydroboldone. Notice the 1-2 double bond ( like 1-test cyp) instead of the 4-5. It's structurally similar to a dht derivative but it's derived from DHB.
http://www.primobolan.org/primobolan-side-effects/
Learn something every day. Regardless it is no better for a female and caries some serious issues for them. I don't use primo myself.
Ya I don't really see the use for us guys. Some dudes swear by it tho so I can't write it off totally. But The cost to gain ratio is just not there for me. And it's so highly faked. I'll stick to what I've found works best for me for now. Maybe one day when I'm rich I'll give it a shot lol.
It's very close in chemical structure to a dht, not that that means much at all. I think the biggest problem is most women who use it are actually getting mast which we know will mess up a girl, or another drug they use to fake it is eq, which also can be problematic in women. If they actually get legit primo and use the right dose they shouldn't have many issues (obviously some will get hammered with sides) but you really have to be wanting to take it to the next level to go that route.
please explain ...
despite working so well in the treatment of breast cancer it was pulled from the market because the virilization was so bad. Its androgenic as hell. Im sure i dont need to explain what extremely androgenic steroids do to women. Theyre bad enough in men let alone females.
you could say that about just about ALL of the steroids women use .. virilization isn't limited to use of mast so your statement was alarmist at best ... many women use mast without being "messed" up just like many women use other compounds that are outside of the "safe" ones without being messed up. Many factors go into being "messed" up the least of which is dosages, length of time using, and personal biochemistry.
You ought to post a pic up. My wife is also physique 5'3 155 BF in the low teens. See here lies the problem the answers your getting wherever your getting them aren't good. I make my wife get on here and read her ass off so she knows everything there is to know, not hear say or potentially harmful info like "primo is better for women" its a DHT which caries many potential side effects. Like running your anavar and winny for 8 weeks stacked, I hope to Christ you have liver support and pull bloods to check the levels. Mast will/ can bring estro down but can also be detrimental to a woman. I suggest you start doing some research on all these drugs pros and cons, risk vs reward because these "coaches" sound like they are trying to have you get all your progress from the drugs. A lot of the side effects you get from these drugs are irreversible, voice depth, facial and body hair , severe acne , enlarged clitoris , loss of head hair all which are permanent. So stop asking people who only give a shit about a 20 dollar plastic trophy and not your health. There is more than enough info on here. You need to look up every drug, how to properly run it, what its potential and probable side effects are , what changes and gains you will see from it etc etc
I'm also interested in what you look like at the moment because a 12 week prep is pretty short so I hope your at like 10 bf. Other wise your body is going to put up a serious fight, and your going to try and do to much in a short period of time burn away a decent amount of muscle and come in with high cortisol levels retaining water just due to stressing your body and central nervous system. If its a small local show that might not effect you much as the line up will be weak not many women want to do physique. Interested to see what you have lined up for your prep also as far as diet, training and cardio go. My wife lost almost 15'% bf in 8 weeks but lost a good amount of muscle and retained water , but it wasn't for a stage it was to win a couple grand. 16 week minimum. First 2 weeks you lose nothing but water anyways.
Thank you so much for your feedback. I will get some pics uploaded later when I get home. And I was super worried about stacking the var and winny too. Especially that dose so I was going to get my blood work done throughout. I think maybe I'm a little too paranoid for this lol. It's not a local show - it's a national show. So I may also modify to stay as healthy as possible and just do my best. I definitely want to stay competitive on stage but also not at the expense of my health or sides I'm not okay having. Thanks again. Found a lot of value in what you said.
Not a problem. This site needs more competitive/ top tier women who put the work in in the kitchen and the gym. Plenty of info on here about the drugs. Your not paranoid, being cautious and soo picky makes a good competitor. 60% diet 35% gym and 5% drugs. Being competitive is one thing being reckless is another, a lot of reckless people in this sport who don't care until shit starts to hit the fan. I just want people to fully know what they are getting into and want them to achieve their goals correctly.
nandrolone is a steroid derived from modifying the testosterone molecule .. it is a progestin and it binds to progesterone. Nandrolone IS deca. deca is just a "brand" name like Kleenex is a brand name. Anabolic steroids are fairly unpredictable when used by females.. there just aren't studies done on how it affects testosterone levels. Just like anavar does not aromatize into estrogen yet still many women will get acne and hold water as if their estrogen levels have increased. As for the "never" should have been I m sure some guy said so as if he is the be all and end of all knowledge regarding anabolics and how they affect women. Did they tell you that primo as a dht is very likely to make your hair fall out? When you use steroids you get sides, if you don't want to deal with any sides then I would steer clear of just about anything on the list.
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Yeah that's what I'm learning. As soon as they said that I started searching everything on primo and the others. And you're right about coming off the var. Thanks so much for the knowledge. I really appreciate it!
RustyhookerYou're female with natty test 900-1200????
Nooooo lol. It was that high after taking the NPP. I keep my testosterone level 40-80. So I freaked out when I found out my levels. And thankfully nothing happened.
RustyhookerI wonder if you really had npp? Chemically it's not test so I'm intrigued as to how you got that boost. Mislabeled or shady?
Yeah 900 is crazy high for a female.
That's nothing. My wife's probably higher than yours..... Lol
RustyhookerTypically I avoid the ladies lounge. I feel it's best getting info from ladies for ladies. But it just caught my eye. I'll be reading and learning on this one
Too bad theres only 6 ladies who know a decent amount and 1 is gone and the other 2 don't ever get on, the only ones here who run more than anavar and occasional test prop are my wife and grrl.
RustyhookerMy friend out here had a real coach, not just trophy chaser. She busted ass for near a year then prop and var. She looked great! But she was spot on and just Killin it. I tried to get her in here to learn or share but no luck.
Same here. I'm very interested to see what the other ladies have to say!