-2 You guys I need some help desperately PLEASE
Ok here goes, and I'm prepared for the shit storm...
I am looking for some honest and sound advice because I am in desperate need of it.
Just a little background I was close to 300 pounds, lost over 120+ pounds. I was extremely self conscious due to the loose skin, Had an issue with low test and not being able to gain much muscle and had low T side effects so just said screw it.
I ordered a cycle of Tren Ace and Test Cyp and ran those over the course of 16 weeks (i know i know)
I was deciding on "blasting and cruising" and staying on for life
I began to have BAD side effects, extremely bad acne, my hair is shedding and thinning horribly, and I have no libido.
I am on my way to the dermatologist tomorrow with no insurance, attempting to get this acne under control so it doesn't affect my job. Bad bad cystic acne on the back of my ears and face
Even on a low dose of test I was experiencing side effects so I came off completely.
My last shot of tren ace was 2/12/14
My last shot of test cyp (250/wk) was 2/13/14
My question is, what the hell do I do now? I have no AAS in blood and feel terrible, horrible anxiety and emotional. My hair is thinned and I have very bad acne.
My nuts are shrunken like raisins.
I would like to be restored to normal and producing test
Is there any hope? Best course of action?
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Step 1: endocrinologist. Find out where your hormones are and out them where they need to be, because I'm sure they are hardly at healthy levels.
Step 2: psychiatrist. Get some self confidence, man.
Just got bloods back today, they're above you
hambone37If your last shot of TEST C was 2/13 you need to get some post cycle treatment supplies like yesterday and start within the next week. I like what BigWilly said, Your next cycle really should be from GNC. Streoids are powerful performance enhancing drugs meant for athletes. Especially Tren. Just start your PCT and you will get through the steroid part of this,
Not trying to put you down bro but your issues still has not been addressed.
Your low self esteem is what got you into the idea that running steroids will turn your into another person. You originally was on the right track losing weight naturally. Every thing takes time.
Who ever told you to run tren is a jerk off in my book. Tren is for advance user. I used tren one time it's amazing but I will probably never run it again, it hard on your body. More so if your not prepared for it.
You need to run pct fast, get a full lab panel to see what damage you have done.
bigwillyI think you need more then any thing r some freinds. And youll find more enough here. lol get your next cycle from gnc.
omg what have i just read? one of the mod even had a sticky saying have all your puzzle or something like that before you start and something about failed to plan is plan to fail. Wish you luck man. kinda glad i am still running only a test cycle.
You have some great advice here to run with, and you are moving in the right direction. You will get through this and be a happy person again. It's not the end of the world, just one hell of a hard lesson learned. Hang in there, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Well you made an informed decision now you must accept the consequences of your actions. Good luck with everything.
Here is an update guys, I went to the derm today and he just shook his head saying you're a mess...
He said it's all types of acne. Diflucan for anti fungal
Prednisolone for inflammation
Also minocycline and topical wipes
Cost without insurance was $86 meds + office visit
I have my PCT on the way, blood test is set for Tuesday
I also just wanted to say that I'm sorry, I'm sorry to myself and those to this board....
There is no excuse but I was so depressed when I was fat... I got injured and ate myself up to 288 pounds in two years... I then dieted down to 169 and felt like shit!
I hadn't had a girlfriend, I was afraid no girl was ever going to want be because of the way I looked with my shirt off and the loose skin / stretch marks.
I figured I'd blast tren and it'd turn me into something better, when all it did was potetinally ruin me.
Fu*k me
AnonSounds like you made this choice with your emotions, knowing subconsciously how stupid it was but ignoring it. People tend to assume pure stupidity is always to blame sounds like you have some serious mental health issues clouding ( the FUCK ) out of your judgement. Obviously physical health first but once you level out definitely need to address your mental status perhaps professionally.
Muta is THE man for this type of knowledge you couldn't possibly have gotten better advice.
Damn I wish I had eroids back when I jacked myself up as a kid. Walking around for a solid year in high school with a completely limp dick gyno and horrible acne eventually becoming suicidal - good times! Send me a FR if you want to chat I've dealt with it all already from A to Z, except I started my "cycle" at 16 right before turning 17 during it lol. Depression ain't no fucking joke especially when you're hormonally wrecked on top of it. I'm TRT now by the way I never recovered.
I like to think as someone that had severe depression crippling social anxiety image problems etc. that found how to work through it without having to be doped up (eventually) I can maybe offer something worth a shit to other younger dudes ( I'm 23 ) currently dealing with it. Maybe I'm overstating my worth aha but talking is always good bro especially on eroids anonymously. You aren't about to get judged here in a PM'd conversation.
I honestly think u need to work on your self. Sounds like u have some underlying issues that need looking into. I respect the fact that u can man up and admit your mistakes but I have a feeling u won't find happiness until u fix yourself. No amount of steroids can fix problems that u have. So please try and get yourself better mentally and physical. I hope u take everyone's advice here and have learned a lesson young man.
I refuse to teach him about gear but I will help him with training and nutrition as well as giving him a better way to self esteem. Eroids has a myriad of great health information without aas. Not to mention the moral support that someone can use to bring up their self esteem. Brother I am pretty sure he has figured out he needs to work on himself. Hopefully in another way than steroids at this point in time.
Good man Pank, I love it..
What ya I meant work on himself didn't mean anything bout steroids wasn't trying to give him advice just saying he needs to seek out help to fix his issues he has with the way he perceives himself. U will never find happiness if u are that unhappy with yourself
I know I got you I was saying to you feel free to step in and help him if he asks. Clearly if you can see the issues you have answers he needs about his esteem issues
okay it saddens me I see so many people go thru this I blame it on Hollywood they have put in peoples mind an unreachable goal for almost everyone out there. Iv had depression and I know what its like to do things to make yourself feel better in the short term only to make it worse in the long term so I'm sending him a fr he needs to talk
Good looking out brother!!
I will only speak for me. You had the balls to own it and take full credit for your stupid move. Also for the apology of getting the board riled up. We all fuck up what you do from now on with this will determine whether you just fucked up or are a fuck up! If you want help I will help you with what I know and give you what my mentors gave. But if you freestyle and deviate to another suck head play I am done. +2 for manning up and owning your error.
WTF? %$#@**&@!$%! Dammit!
AnonLiterally makes my stomach drop when I read something like that on here.
I've thought about potentially going into detail about how my situation ended up getting in an attempt to get it stickied but I think it'll just go unread by those who would actually need to read it anyways.... like all the other stickied threads. If you think it's possible to use effectively somehow give the word though.
I'm not complaining to hell with that outside of TRT I love everything about life now though. It annoys me to keep bringing it up even, feel like it paints me as a crybaby constantly whining about my situation LOL not at all I just want to do whatever possible to prevent more young dudes from ruining themselves.
And here is another poster child for reasons why you should do a shit ton of research before you step on the AAS train. Your genetics are telling you that cycling will never work for you at all. You have all the classic genetic tell tale signs of bad body reactions. Hair loss, severe acne, High estrogen. You better hope you bounce back from this and learned your lesson. But seriously; stay away from AAS as you can see it is not going to work for you EVER.
What age are you son ?????
Anonwho you calling SON... Gramps! ;)
BIG gramps if you dont mind............ and whats with this peasant shit?.. you wanna borrow some dosh or sumthin? LMFAO!
AnonI felt I was an emperor but evidentially BFG or one of ya'll think otherwise ;) LOL
He's 23
I think we should make this a stickie.
We'll chalk this one up to natural selection you dumb shit! You had all the information at your fingertips and just did what you wanted anyway. I see nothing in your history here that shows any cycle layout (cuz you knew no one would co sign this bullshit?) and now you come running back to us cuz what YOU came up with in all of your infinite wisdom backfired! Surprise, Surprise! THIS IS WHY I DON'T LIKE THE YOUNGSTERS FLOATING AROUND HERE!
I am hoping you are just a TROLL cuz there are NO DO OVERS in this game,,, GO SEE AN ENDO FOR CHRISTS SAKE!
Steroids are just not a short-cut solution to fitness goals for the uncommitted/non-athlete. Period.
valhallas bestHoly fuck... Fuck tren
Holy crap son. your story sends chills down my spine. I think I'll be happy if I never add tren to a cycle.
A basic test E cycle seems like childs play compared to the course you just ran. I wish you luck with your recovery, and I hope lots of people find this thread before they mess around with tren.
I don't think anything else needs to be said other than taking what Muta laid out for you as gospel and following his protocol to the letter, no exceptions! we all make bone head mistakes along the way, going into the future we only hope you're more the wiser. I'd like to point out that I admire your effort and dedication on losing that first hundred pounds. get your health squared away and keep looking up.
Anoncystic acne requires an antibacterial agent as well as a creme. most cremes they prescribe are anywhere from $200-$600 without insurance. I always check my insurance statement and its outrageous. I would save your money and pride, quit crying about your acne, because unless you're a stripper, which I would bet my right testicle isn't the case - it ain't gonna effect your job!! you're just wasting money you should be using to fix yourself and get back to an equilibrium.
to begin: you need to get blood work done, God only knows what your progesterone and estrogen levels look like. Im assuming you didn't use an AI and feel more confident betting my left nut that you didn't use caber or pram.
With the half life of test, you'd be best suited to start a PCT protocol like tomorrow... heres what I advise: now I won't do your homework for you, but being a source I know this business. First, I'm going to hope you have some disposable income or some funds to play with at least. Honestly, if I were in your case i'd figure out the most reputable, domestic source that you can get a package from FAST.. you will likely need: Caber, Nolva, Aromasin, HCG, Clomid if you want to salvage your test levels and avoid a forever TRT.
Ive used this protocol and I've seen it work in many individuals.. its expensive - but it works. It all comes down to how much this means to you....If you're truly serious about this, find a thread on here explaining how privatemdlabs works, pay tomorrow for a requisition and go monday and have blood work down. You'll have your results the same week and can better judge how fucked you really are.
my protocol is :
HCG day 1-20 or 1-30 depending what you can afford @ 2000-2500IU a day
Clomid: Front load 200/200/150/150 (first 4 days) then run 150/100/100/100/50/50 (6 weeks)
Aromasin 6.25mg ED for duration
Nolva 40mg ED while on HCG, then drop to 20 for duration
Helpful supplements; DAA, HCGenerate, Vitamin E.
let me tell you something... you had the balls to run tren, but you don't want to run a PCT? if you don't do something similar to what i suggest i'd say theres a 75% chance you're fucked. Im telling you how it is. How do you get the gonads to run tren, and for that long with this mindset? Theres no magic wand here buddy.. no one is gonna stroke your cock and make you feel better. you'll likely feel like shit until you're almost done with a thorough PCT protocol.
I'll make the big picture abundantly clear for you.. if you don't want to, and I quote, "put any more foreign unregulate chemicals in your body" then you are essentially fucked.. enjoy feeling like dick, depressed, your dick probably won't work anytime soon, and you should schedule your next doctors appointment after you get done being a woman and worrying about your acne in the midst of all this, with an endocrinologist so they can charge you thousands, yes thousands for the stuff necessary to prevent you from turning into a lactating female.
Your wake up call,
-M
PS: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/starting-a-cyc...
I probably just wasted 15 minutes of my time because reading through your previous forum posts, you didn't listen to a single piece of advice anyone gave you.
Glad to have u hear Muta, thanks for your help and contributions to this site.
Stuff like this is what makes you the best brother.... And you got some badass gear
Muta I really appreciate the time you took to write that out, I literally just ordered clomid and nolva. I'm just scared to put anything else into me because of the cause and effect.
The only thing I haven't been able to find is HCG
The clomid / nolva is going to be on it's way in a few days hopefully
If I may ask which tests should I order from Private MD labs?
I would also like to post my results to further someone else from doing something stupid like I did.
Here is also another issue bro, I have another whole cycle of test and tren sitting here with nothing to do with.... I guess it's going to have to go in the garbage because I know nobody IRL that does AAS
I did use an AI, I ran .5 arimidex EOD and then went to aromasin at 12.5 ED near the end of my cycle
Still have a bit of that as well as letrozole unopened
I know you are a respected member and I am going to heed your advice
Edit to add: I have these two tests added to my cart for privatemdlabs
Hormone Panel for Females
-Estradiol, serum;
-Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH);
-Luteinizing Hormone (LH);
-Testosterone, serum; -Complete Blood Count (CBC): Hematocrit; hemoglobin; mean corpuscular volume (MCV); mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH); mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC); red cell distribution width (RDW); percentage and absolute differential counts; platelet count; red cell count; white blood cell count; immature granulocytes.
-Comprehensive Metabolic Profile (CMP): A:G ratio; albumin, serum; alkaline phosphatase, serum; ALT (SGPT); AST (SGOT); bilirubin, total; BUN; BUN:creatinine ratio; calcium, serum; carbon dioxide, total; chloride, serum; creatinine, serum; globulin, total; glucose, serum; potassium, serum; protein, total, serum; sodium, serum.
I am also concerned with my chole
Anonhttp://www.eroids.com/pics/ball-juice-updated-stash
check out this pic
for blood work you'll need female hormone panel AND prolactin.. it'll be about $70 and you can google and get a discount code.. probably will be able to get it all said and done for 50-60 bucks.. prolactin will be a major benefactor in the functioning of your dick as well as recovery so you NEED to get that tested. I think if you search the top 5 domestic sources you will find one that has caber available. give it a look bro, I cant mention exactly where, but its available.
don't touch the letro right now, although seeing as you used adex/aro (very happy about this) hopefully your estrogen conversion isn't too bad and prolactin was kept to a minimum.
hope that adex he was using was real
Thank you very much muta I am ordering the tests and supps now and will be available to get them drawn first thing monday morning!
Anonand seriously... get yourself some caber bro. sounds to me like you have some prolactin activity going on. You might only have one chance to do this right. at least give yourself the chance to recover so next go-around you can make a smarter choice.
I appreciate your generosity in helping me, there is an update I posted at the top
If you are having trouble with funding all of this the other option can be prami.. a bit cheaper.. works fine if you're smart about using it.. gotta taper up very slowly.. good luck man I really hope you can get to feeling better
Holy shit bro. Just another case of a 23 year old kid not listening, jumping In too early and jacking himself up, too damn lazy to do any research, too stupid to listen, and too young to make permanent decisions.
You seriously can't find HCG? Quit being a lazy bastard and look a little deeper. My 5 year old girl could find HCG with the help of this site, but then again it sounds like she's quite a bit smarter than you.
What about caber? Didn't even look into that did you. Titties getting milky yet? Can't ejAculate no matter how hard you pump?
What about aromasin? Do you have enough? Didn't want to get that far either? You seem to be enjoying the estro sides so I say lets just enjoy the gigantic boils welling up all over your loose skin. That might help tighten it up in the first place.
Holy shit man kick yourself in the tiny nuts! wake up as listen to a little help. Muta just spent 2 hours typing up some kick ass protocol (yes he is a very slow two fingered typer, don't judge him!)
You didn't listen to anyone before, and sounds like it really didn't work out for you now did it.
For once in your life get your shit together and quit trying to shortcut shit and get by with minimal work.
Damn, I'm really holding back on my flaming because I feel bad about your ignorance. I feel like I'm talking to one of my sister's kids.
Get your shit together bro. Before your shit gets you permanently.
All my love, no homo
Ed
P.s. Yes, throw your extra gear away, you've proven That you aren't smart enough to use it, and you for sure aren't smart enough to make a decision on a responsible person to give it to.
Also forgot to add I had no PCT available and I really don't want to put any more foreign unregulate chemicals in my body to try and change things