posted Mon, 08/12/2013 - 15:22
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+ 27 What to do about sources like this?
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there was also the scandal of fake pics posted.
I will remove him from the ranks for now until admin decides what to do about it. Personally I dont think a source that would text pics to members and allow them to post as packs received, then plan to alter test results if they are not good, be even allowed on this site.
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As an update: I have officially been reimbursed of my outstanding $2,400 via moneygrams by Perf.
Anon5 months later you get your money back, lol. i'd be charging 30% interest
AnonI believe that is the going street rate from bookies and loan sharks.
That is great news I am glad for you brother!
I'd like to update I've been reimbursed half of the money he owed me, perf is still getting back to me on the remainder but at least I can say he's taking care of me.
Muscleg33kVery classy of him!!
now this is awesome.
And he didn't offer you cheap growth in exchange for saying that?
That's awesome!
WithdrawlI personally recommended him to so many people because of how much I trusted him. Hell, when people even PM'd me asking about the syntropin HGH, I told them I was SURE it was good if it came from Perf. I feel like a total jackass now. Sorry to the guys I said they had nothing to worry about. This was the last guy I thought would pull shady stuff like this. Oils have always been good to me and they've given me great results, but after all this, time to move on.
AnonWell i did recommend people too and i cant beleive this and it looks like people have just moved on and forgotten about it but i wouldn't order nothing til everything is settled for every single guy and a real test done on the oils....,thats my opinion. ... make him earn the fuckin trust back...
Yes i was tight witb perf but what happened was wrong and makes me look bad for the guys that i recommended so i just got mixed feelings about everything
So i feel ya bro
As just one of the average joe's here I can say with confidence none of us are holding anyone but perf responsible for what happened. Unless you were in direct business with him there is no way we could. I recommend my first source all the time, if something goes down with him, its not my fault, nor was any of this yours.
I ordered from Perf seemed like a good guy but I myself had some issues and concerns. The Sus 250 that he sent me smelled like a mixture of burnt rubber and lidocaine. After doing some research and talking with a few buddies who use raws. They said it was more than likely a batch that was abused with too much Guaiacol. Then when I got my Test Prop it was as dark as Tren...I have never seen Test prop that dark. A lot of questions now which sucks because his turn time and response to e-mails were both fast! I am no judge nor jury but I do feel you cannot cut corners when it comes to a persons health.
BigBmajI'm really surprised how forgiving some people seem to be.
Sell bad shit - consider falsifying labs - do the label bullshit, and ...
It's cool because they didnt run with the cash?
I don't want to sound too self righteous because I've done plenty of fucked up things in this life. But I'm very surprised by many people's responses.
+1 Bro. You are so right! He's only returning the money because he got caught and is looking to save face... literally. Because not only selling fake gear, but creating all sorts of ruses to pull it off is tantamount to assault. And assault is a crime of violence which is often answered with the same on the street.
Call me crazy but I have a feeling, a feeling that at the end of this he is toast. I have no way of knowing what the plan is here with management, but just in my time here I have seen how they handle dishonesty, or any type of douchebaggery and it has never been with compassion for the offender..
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all the fucked up thing you have been caught for you have had to pay for your error in judgment. Perf will pay if they keep him or not. The loss of business will be insane. At the same time he will be able to make an income from the soft hearted. With this income I hope he takes care of each and everyone he screwed over. Even if they are not bitching or asking for refund. If he sent them bunk gear and knows it then he should repay them. If he does this then over time he will get more and more customers. At the very least all good reviews should be stripped from him. The bad ones could stay. I see shit like this causing the end of free gear. To many of us will do anything for 1 little bottle of oil or a few tabs. If we all do not vote correctly it screws up this site.
Bro, are you serious? This is the worst sort of violation anyone can possibly commit to the brotherhood. It's absolutely inexcusable and he should be terminated with extreme prejudice!
That would be crazy to do at this point.
Why would that be crazy? The punishment would be fitting of the offense. I have ZERO tolerance for anyone who knowingly deceives people who trust him and rips people off.
give it a rest bro don't order from him if you don't want to. besides the mods are going to be monitoring him closely so if anything happens hes gone forever. he's only selling oils now and caps i think but no more gh and that;s where the large orders were coming from
Maybe I am missing something here. After reading more of his SI page, I'm seeing bros who've have good results from his AAS. Is his 'falsifying' restricted to his HGH only? If so, do you really believe that it's only his HGH? If so, okay then. Trust who you will, and I'll do the same. We simply have vastly different criteria of trust.
fr sent send me a pm reminding me of this.
I have never done business with this source in the past, and have a small, reliable circle of sources I use, so I probably wouldn't in the future anyway...BUT if one of the sources I do use were to pull this shit, I would not return to them. Ever.
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So this is whats happening...Should I, or for that matter everyone else, be questioning the oils I have right now or at least their potency?
what the fuck am I injecting into myself is what i'm really wondering. I have TestE400/deca from this source but now i am questioning this shit or at least the potency. I know its working because I can tell from the changes in my body and mood but there's no way of knowing now if i'm really pinning 800mgs/500mgs that I thought i was or if its way lower....fuck. and on top of that I have come up with a stomach flu that has not allowed me to eat much of anything other then liquids and some solids for the past 2 days, it has nothing to do with this i'm sure but damn its just like icing on the fucking juice cake. I never had any issues with perf before, and he always took care of my questions. You just never know, till you know, I guess. lol
WithdrawlObviously I'll never order from Perf again but all the oils from them I've used have been very very good so I don't think you have anything to worry about.
waltrI ran 3 vials of his tren ace and they were most definitely tren, I started lactating due to some bunk pramipexole =(
As far as potency, the only way to know for sure would be to send a sample off to get tested.
FR sent bro. I'm running Prami now and have a question regarding the bunk Prami.
I would run all the gear but I would stop if I started getting 3rd testicle.
waltrAre you kidding?
I'd definitely keep going if I grew a 3rd to see if I could end up with 4.
I'd be famous, they'd call me "The Man With 4 Balls."
I wouldn't worry about the oils bro just got blood work done test serum 5820 running 750 test per week 500 to 600 tren e wk
First time poster on the forums, long time reader however. This whole fiasco has got me to actually begin posting. I ordered from perf about 4 weeks ago. My order went less than smoothly. I did not recieve my entire order, and actually got an item I didnt even order. Contact was difficult to establish with perf, and eventually I just like freaked out in email. He proceeded to give me his mobile number, so that I could just text him because his server was being DDos'ed. He seemed like a straight up dude, and promptly reshiped DOUBLE my order. To be clear, I only ordered AAS, and they appear to be having good effect. I am 2 weeks out from a comp and perfs mast and winny are definitely helping my physique.
I just wanted to post my experience. Sure he screwed my order, but he made it right. Hoping that is what he does in this situation to the individuals he has wronged. Regardless, im glad I held off on another order with him, and will be switching to a more savory source. But low life's exist everywhere, ya never know nowadays.
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AnonI was thinking his shit was underdosed. ... These fucking guys. I'm taking 3 times the dose of what I usually do and not seeing the same results, fucking guys!!!!! I knew it!!! I thought it was just me. I was getting all the sides so I thought maybe it was just my crazy thinking.
Taking what? Hgh or the oils and when did you order/receive it? There are a ton of factors that can play into your results not showing up. First and foremost is your diet. So how about it? What is it you are using and when did you receive it?
spoon69well reading one page of this thread is all i needed. as much as this is the game we play it seems like there is always some scandel with a good or so called good source..... after being here for so long and being in this game for a couple years now its obvious that no matter how much a source is a ( nice guy ) its all about money. this is the real world guys and sources are just that a source for illegle substances. just like on the streets they will do what they think they can get away with to earn a higher profit. im not saying that there are not good sources that dont need to do shit like this or that have morals and would not do this but it is what it is and that is why we have the mods to watch are backs. i am sorry for the ones that took a hit on this one and ive taken a couple hits myself from greedy sources but as i said before its the game we play and all we can do is test test test and share the tests with the comunitty and watch out for one another. hopefuly we can come together as a comunitty and get through all this bs and help the mods to enforce any punishment they put on this greedy asshole. never spend money u dont intend to lose on gear especialy hgh!!! it is a risk no matter how good of a source we have....
I ought to chuck these motherfucking oils, shouldn't I? Motherfuck! $1,600 down the drain. I know others got hit harder, but it still stings. I knew something was off with all the fanboy cocksucking going on in his ask and discuss forum.
OUCH!!!
Lol! I sorry but you remind me of someone I had to laugh not at your situation but at your rant. Don't throw the oils away brother there is no evidence yet presented that they are not good. The HGH is what this is currently about. If you got HGH that could be a problem but as far as I know none of the well reputed members that got oils are saying anything negative about them.
Mernin P! :))
Thanks, man. I'm just all fucking bent out of shape because I thought I had some good oils, so I bought enough of his gear to blast and cruise until next summer. FUCK!
I just read the review u posted on perf's oils a couple days ago, is that a fake review then?? Why would u chuck the oils when u say how well his tren, prop and mast are working.
Yeah, I read that review too and I feel like I've been bamboozled. I'd contemplate chucking it because he's proven himself to be dishonest, because there's talk that his raws are trash and that the oils might be dirty. Yeah, I understand that he's an UGL, but I do like to have some type of confidence when I'm injecting this shit into my body, and this thread has removed that confidence from me.
You make no sense bro what do you MEAN you read that to when ur the one who wrote it???? By writing that an now BASHING the oils that make you dishonest and the ONLY time I seen anyone talk down on his oils is when all this shit hit the fan.... It's all in ur head his oils are fine ... if you had his HGH that would be a different story.... get a grip bro
The oils should be totally fine, as everyone is saying this is a GH issue. Also if your oils were bought 2 promos ago then they were probably brewed by yoked, so no worries.
I was a part of all this GH debacle, but I still have 100% confidence in my oils i received from perf in the past.
Yeah I hear you it is a big deal. From the guys I talk to who know there gear they said so far they are all making the expected gains just to give you some peace of mind.
AnonI'm just shocked that an already top source would need to stoop to that level. I believe something similar happened with Lauren an Badgers group then Badger turned it around and fixed it I still don't know te circumstances of that disappearance but I trust Badger as I always have but sources especially ones that are already at the top should set am example so others can see what it takes to be a top source not this dishonest shit strip him of his rank and make him start from the bottom and use him as an example.......my thoughts hope everyone is having a good night and thanks for updating us on this source I almost made a purchase
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonJust my .02, but pull him from the ranks and reset his votes. Anyone can question the legitimacy of them from the shit he has pulled in the past weeks. Otherwise, he'll just come back as a new source and bank the profits of all the selective scamming and not be held accountable. If you reset him, he's here, and he will be forced to pay off the debts and people he has done wrong by. This protects the members investments and holds the source accountable, rather than verifying him and letting him start fresh as if he doesn't owe $25,000 to a bunch of bulk orders. If he doesn't pay, its likely those members will leave reviews/votes showing so - and in turn, he'll stay at the bottom This goes the same for the bunk HGH he sent out which he seemed to just chalk up as a loss for the people who bought it, rather than announcing it and having people contact him for refunds like a top supplier should do. If he really is all that, im sure the lab tests people submit on his gear from now on will get him back to the top, or maybe karma has a way of working itself out. Either way, I believe this is a good approach to protect our members who have been burned, and scammed by this source, as well as making him prove himself.
AnonI agree with a lot of what you said, especially since the problem with a ban is it poses a risk to pissing off the source and them running with guy's cash instead of fulfilling orders.
The real problem is this - if you're doing sketchy shit and faking reviews/votes when you're already at the TOP FOUR, then you absolutely, definitely have been doing shit to get there the entire time.
You're not going to play clean in the trenches and then play dirty when you're already at the top. If you're banging out fake pictures and reviews when you're already at the top 5 or higher, then without a doubt you've done it a whole lot more to get there. That's why I agree with a reboot. Then again, it's not our call and it's not our place. Then there's the bias. Maybe I'm just saying this shit because he's a rank or two ahead of me and him being resetted, bumps me up a slot. Going to go back to playing in the Alliance sandbox. Later!