Test-e/Parabolan
Ive ran my fair share of cycles. Probably around 10 with some sort of Tren...
Like many I have had a love-hate relationship with tren. And any long ester Tren has always kicked my ass.
Ive taken the last 3 or 4 years off and just did life stuff. After about a year of TRT 250mg/w my Doc pulled bloods and freaked out. SO for the last 3 years its been a dose of 100mg/w
A couple months ago I ran my first cycle in all those years. Test/deca/t-bol and things went great. gained 30 pounds and held on to 20 of it for the next month.
At which point im running 100mg/w TRT and I decide to add Parabolan. Thinking that itll probably destroy me I start off really slow. First 4 weeks at 38mg/w(.50ml). No sides. and then .75ml, 1ml, 1.25ml....
Finally this morning I experienced my first side during sex....Cardio
So im still sleeping great, not sweating, not angry, not claustrophobic, I am stronger, I do have a strong desire to work out, my pumps take longer than other cycles ive ran but by the end of workout ive got a good pump that lasts quite a while....
SO to be completely honest im sort of tripped out. I have always experienced sides at .50ml/w, but never ran it with nothing else but test at such a low dose. I was beginning to thing stuff was bunk but I used these same bottles before and the cardio hit me like a ton of bricks, its 100% tren cardio, if youve had it you know what I mean...
Im looking for some feedback from anybody that has run real low dose Test with high dose Tren....What was your experience? how much Tren did you run?
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Cardio is total shit. I can beast mode 6-12 reps all day long with breaks. I couldn't swim 150' if my life depended on it.
Also, I cant go a day without carbs. Start feeling terrible. Not that my diet is any good to start with but I tend to eat a lot of meat.
SO there is another part of this equation that I should mention as its been an Achilles heel for me for the past decade of cycling.
Curbed Appetite....Every cycle i run, and ive done a lot, after a certain period of time I lose my ability to taste food. it sounds bad, it tastes bad, and my stomach just doesnt agree. Force feeding myself has never been fun.
And im not experiencing that right now. Im suspect of the higher dose test ive always ran to be the issue. And when I say higher I mean 200mg/w and up. What I would have considered a very low dose in the past.
its interesting none the less....And I have to say a welcomed change
I've been preaching low test with a high anabolic for years now. This is another great example.
Samir’s 1983 Mr. Olympia cycle at the 55th minute https://youtu.be/P9foidFo89Y
I remember the real Para's from France in the early 90s. They were expensiveAF if you can even find them. $25-28 an amp! 76mg/ml 1.5ml amp! We used to only do one a week w/ some TEST. Similar to how your running it actually. Experianced folks did two a week no more. Don't need high doses w/ HEX!!! Man.. How times have changed.
I’ve held test around 100-150 and gone up over a gram of tren. Not advocating it and it was only for a few weeks at that dose but my side effects were strangely little to none. Most of the run was at 700 mgs. I was dieting and dropped 34 pounds in 12 weeks (this last ebc). Cardio wasn’t bad, I just sweat about twice as much as normal.
I was strong as fuck. Hammer machine row with like 7 plates a side. 4 plates on inclines, but I tore my pec (slightly) and it put a major damper on my overall progress. I had that animalistic mentality where it felt like every time I touched the bar it was lighter than the last. Definitely need to be careful with that stuff.
Side note running deca I can get away with zero test if the deca dose is high enough for sufficient estrogen conversion (~1 gram) with tren I need to keep 100 mgs or so of test for estrogen levels and receptor sensitivity and of course, cardiac health etc...
if your talking about Tren-a, thats not much different then im doing now.....
Yeah I began with a tren ace at 200mg concentration a half cc ED. Later in the cycle I switched to a tri tren 150 and went to 1cc ED. The psychological drive you mention is probably my favorite aspect of the drug. It makes me crave cardio and weights when I usually only want to lift. Major game changer late in a prep when you barely have energy to make it through a work day.
Running high Test with the tren is your best bet of getting round the breathless cardio issue. The test acts as your energy, running it low means you have none and are exhausted. I always run at least double test to tren ratio but the breathing issue is still there, its just not as bad. I'm not really sure why or how this low test craze started - but all you are doing is robbing yourself of more strength and mass gains by doing it.
It’s based on the idea of Tren having a higher binding affinity to the androgen receptor. I haven’t ran Tren in years, but I’ve done it both ways. High Tren, Low Test worked better for me as far as sides went, but everyone is different.
It hijacks the shuttling cells that travel it through your system.
Example-
You put 1ml of test and 1ml of tren in your barrel and pin it.
Both hitch rides on certain cells that move around our system.
Tren hogs them making the test miss its ride.
Be like two drunk guys awaiting a taxi outside the pub on a weekend.
One big guy one little guy.
The big guy punches the little guy to the floor and takes that taxi and cruises.
Little guy is left behind confused.
Same as when a medicine labels warn about not taking certain meds with others.
They use the same cells to get around and one will occupy them before another making one left out.
So if this where indeed fact why is it my sides are completely unbearable if I simply add a small amount of test? Like going from 100mg to 200mg a week small amount.
The body seems to try and process both and increase sides drastically.
Lol I haven't seen such a simple concept come with an analogy in a while. Thanks for that one!
The first time I ran deca I ended up joining the camp of preferring low test and high stronger compounds. It wasn't because of this shuttling concept we talk about, but because of the experience I had with sides. About 7 weeks into a high test, medium deca cycle, I was SMASHED over night with intense sides, including abdominal and ankle bloat, increase in already terrible cystic acne (now taken care of), and so forth. I immediately dropped the test to 200, and upped the deca slightly. 2 weeks later I felt amazing and the sides were gone, but during that time I had to take 20mgs of aro every fucking day and it didn't fully take care of the problems for the full 2 weeks. So naturally I became and advocate of low test, high other compounds.
Since then I have been running test/tren/mast cycles with low(ish) test, and liked it, but i also ran high test and liked it as well. The ironic part is, that story I told up there, only took place because the aromisan I was using was bunk. SO, now I just be aware that both methods seem pretty awesome to me. Easier to look dry and lean with lower test, easier to look FULL AS FUCK with high test involved.
Thanks for letting me share some totally anecdotal information that really doesn't mean anything.
Have you got any studies on this or is this a theory?
He is referring to binding affinity and is spot on with the analogy!
If running 500mg of Test per week with 500mg Tren ace produced more muscle and strength than 1gram Test and 500mg Tren then I would do it - The fact is it doesn't though .....
Can you link? I’ve heard it a lot but never read proof that one it happens as mentioned and two if it causes any problems. I read the body is constantly making new cells to enable the gear to be absorbed. Genuinely curious, well above my intelligence but I enjoy reading up on stuff like that.