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When I think of cruising I think of a TRT like dose of Testosterone only; however, a guy at my gym said he is on a cruise while he uses 200mg Test, 200mg tren e, and an oral i forget which one. Is that a legitimate cruise at the elite levels of body building or is it delusional?
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It depends on every individual, IMO i think 500mg test and 300primobolan are good compounds to go, on the other hand, I have seen athtles doing pretty good on a heavt trt per saying, like 300mg test cyp per week. it depends on how you looking and your next move about your physique, like are you doing a show or something? . this is my 2 cents.
You have to remember that there is really no specific answer to this question like there is more with TRT, as everyone has a different idea of what a 'safe and effective' cruise dose is. Ideally what people are trying to achieve when cruising is to try and retain as much muscle as possible from a steroid cycle whilst not necessarily being on a cycle. So people are always going to be pushing what they take in terms of what one can get away with saying to other people and what is classed as acceptable. I think a big part also depends on how well you tolerate certain amounts of gear - those that tend to run smaller cycles will run a smaller cruise compared to the guys cycling grams at a time, as it interferes less with their daily life in terms of how they feel on certain amounts. Typically routines I have heard of over the years tend to be 200mg to 500mg Test E alone per week, 200mg Test plus 200mg Primo per week. 200mg Test plus 100 Tren E per week etc. People will probably disagree with me on this, but I say it as I see it and speak from my own personal experience. But muscle receptors do not become over saturated or 'tired out' over time, or bounce back 'fresher' after a period of time off. They simply respond to whatever level of gear and stimulus they are experiencing at the time of the cycle, I pretty much know already how strong I can be on X amount of gear at any certain time - its not different if running it after a break or whether its been run for 3 months continually.
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Lmfao! 200 test 200mg tren cruise?
Dude must be on tren year round, which longevity wise, isn't wise.
I am going to run cruise at 150 test e and 200 primo
One idea that I heard from a podcast guy I listen to "dan the bodybuilder from Thailand " was, after a blast, come off everything completely for 4 weeks "if running test e in the stack" and at the end of the 4 weeks, start the cruise dose. That gives your body time to effectively come all the way off. Albeit not for long.
That guy is one of the smartest dudes I have ever heard speak on gear. He's actually honest about and doses people take, but then gives you the medical point of view as well.
He has an account on here.
I really enjoy listening to him. He explains things in a 3rd grade manner lmao
Well is he elite level of bodybuilding? This wouldn’t be an apples to apples comparison. You think Cbum, Vissers, Dino, Samson, etc cruise on just TRT test? No their cruise is the most they can use to keep everything they have at the lowest possible risk. Vs us who should be cruising at legit TRT doses and nothing else.
And when those people retire I bet their cruises do drop down more to something like what we do.
rhino82He doesnt have a pro card so maybe elite is the wrong word. But he does conpete every now and then. From my perspective its elite but objectively or from someone like you who has been there and done it, probably not elite
I usually cycle for 3 to 4 months and then trt dose 180mg to 200mg.
Then your hear of people crusing, never done myself, 300mg/plus, one or two compound or more.
Never done it myself, as I figure Bro science, I'm trying to clear my receptors to give them a break. So when I go back on I get the most out of what I'm using. Only Bro science thinking. Just what I stick to.
Appreciate your input, Big Paul, but I gotta lean more with what Anvil said here. The whole “receptor burnout” idea has been pretty thoroughly debunked. Receptors don’t get saturated and stop working, in fact, androgen receptors upregulate with AAS use, not downregulate. So going completely off for the sake of “resetting receptors” actually works against you in the short term. You’ll need to build back sensitivity and momentum all over again.
Now if someone wants to come off for health reasons, totally valid. Like some pros ( Samson Dauda, I believe he mentioned that, should I believe it ? I don’t know. ) do full off phase at least once a year… 100% clean for 2–3 months. That’s a health-first move, and there’s nothing wrong with it if the goal is longevity. But if the goal is performance, a proper cruise (not TRT) keeps things stable hormonally and preserves gains while giving your system a break from heavy doses.
The blast + PCT + wait + cycle again model made sense in the early 2000s… but now? For those living the lifestyle, competing or not, it’s often just spinning wheels. You lose progress, stress your body more, and don’t really “reset” anything in the way people think.
So yeah. you can take time off, and if your goal is to prioritize health, more power to you. But let’s just be honest that it won’t supercharge your next cycle or “refresh” your receptors. That’s just not how the science works.
Just my humble opinion, brother man, based on the books, bloods, and what I’ve seen in and out of the game.
anvilExcept it does the exact opposite of that. Receptors up regulate , not down regulate. So you come off, you have build back up. You will not get the most out of what you are using because you have to wait for the up regulation again from the receptors. Saturated receptors is a debunked myth and scientifically disproven. Hope this help, nothing but love for ya big guy!
I did say Bro science lol.. I get you have to up upregulate again.
I'm probably more health conscious now as I have kids. My motto now is less is more and fearful of health issues.
I've friends that cruise all year round and when they go back on a blast, the obviously put mass on.
Friends that I have that are on trt and when then go on cycle from my eye they put on more mass in those 12 weeks.. Thats how it seems been subjective looking at them.I'm hear like everybody else to learn.
I agree !
I personally have told myself that I will not cruise, I will do 3 months on gear and 3 months completely off gear. I am not competing I am just improving myself. I know Tren is very bad for your liver so I would not use it more than 4 to 8 weeks.
anvilWorst thing you can do. Hormone peaks and valleys that steep will negate strong gains over time
Legit, real dr approved trt dose. Anything else is made up
This is the only real answer.
Anything else is just justification for staying on a cycle.
A cruise is meant to be long term.
That’s why TRT is typically for life.
I hope no one is running or planning to run tren or orals indefinitely.
rhino82I think this way as well
rhino82Thats how I think too. I think the guy is crazy to be using Tren during what he considers a cruise.
You're saying 500mg of tren year round is a bad thing lmao
With trt base and good time off blast/cycle then sure. But as a constant seems iffy on good bloods and health.
I cruise on 200 mg between cycles. 200 mg puts my test well above 1500 ng/ml ( Im 41 currently 5’3” on a cut @ 148lbs to give u some perspective). This is clearly way too high of a dose for a “trt cruise” for someone like me but you only live once lol. Sometimes Ill throw in 25 mg ed of proviron. My natural test is 315 so im not to concerned with ruining that as it only ever goin to get worse as time goes on.
A real Wellness medically scripted TRT cruise is between 100mg - 200mg split between 7 days due to half life of the Testosterone and so you do not crash. Add in estrogen control, anastrozole,clomid, sometimes Var.
A bodybuilding steroid cruise 300mg/400mg weekly
A blast 500mg Plus.....
This is called steroid abuse. A lot of professionals, especially in the past, have come off steroids completely, at least for a while. Zero testosterone! Unthinkable by today's standards. Hcg, Hgh, clomiphene, "sugar peptide" you reduce the volume of training, adjust your diet and somehow survive the break from steroids. If you are a professional, I understand that you have to consciously shorten your life span with the so-called cruise, but an amateur or someone who does it as a hobby should from time to time completely come off steroids or at least be on medically dosed TRT for a longer period. Getting off steroids to zero is crap, both psychologically and physically, but occasionally I do that and just put up with the crap for a few months. The guy from your gym is afraid of losing any muscle fiber and that's why he's on that cycle he calls cruise. Of course he will progress faster than someone who takes breaks because he is constantly on the cycle without a break, but at what cost?!
I think it kind of depends on size of the person, but generally I'd say a cruise is 100-300 test or maybe some primo, mast or Eq for E2 control. No orals IMO because typically the goal is to let your body recover and get all your markers back in range. Since Orals skew your markers it's kind of against the idea of a Cruise if you ask me. Also maybe a few IU of growth.
Not even Proviron?
I mean it's not really too hard on the liver but it still lowers HDL I believe. I just don't see much point in it. It's hardly anabolic at all, it just lowers SHBG and has some DHT like effects.
It also increases your Free test which is probably more important when your total test is on the lower end.
Actually....no its not....
Yeah that is a direct effect of the lower SHBG. I agree free test is probably more important since that is what is available to bind to the AR. You would probably get the same result if your testosterone dose was a little highe Like 150 test a week plus 25mg proviron a day is the same as maybe 200 test a week. From what I've seen however most guys who show bloodwork have single digit SHBG, and don't need it any lower. The other potential issue of low SHBG is elevated free DHT and E2. Since DHT has a very high affinity for binding to SHBG proviron will give you more DHT sides compared to testosterone. I guess it depends on your goals but excessive free DHT is going to cause more hair loss, Acne, and potentially prostate issues. I don't nessesarily think it's bad I just don't see much of a point. If a guy has really high SHBG I can see using it but I think for most people it's probably not needed.
1000mg test e, a cruise.
Never heard tren on a cruise. Oral yes. Like 10,20mg anavar, dbol.
I assume you mean 100mg
Lol.... nah meant a 1000mg and tne and orals pre workout don't count, cuz obv is just pre workout so it's not part of cycle. So 100mg adrol 4 times week pre workout with 100mg tne pre workout is just extra pre workout like added to the pre workout supps. ; )