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Right, just after some opinions to run through my options to assist gaining some muscle weight.
I’ve been on a light test/primo cycle and been off for 2 months. Been the most manageable cycle I’ve ever ran along with a small dose of Reta and HGH which has got my body fat down to a respectable 10% if my calliper readings are correct. I have veins visible in my lower abs etc. Dropped right down to 90kg. I’m 6’1”.
Last cycle was;
250 test, 300 primo, 2 ui HGH, 2mg Reta. Joints dried out too much. E2 was defiantly too low but suited the summer body look. I understand this is a cruise to most but that’s what I did.
I prefer lighter cycles given that this cycle will see me into my 47th year on this planet. But this is a ramp up in terms of mg’s for me for a good few years.
Self prescribed TRT dose is 150mg test e for the past 2 months. Bloods came back fine but my ALT was raised to 100 but I had just been to a music festival and let myself go a bit.
My question is basically should I use mast or primo. And NPP or deca? I’m thinking primo for e2 control and deca for extra fluid around the joints.
So;
16 weeks;
400 test e
200 - 300 mast or primo
200 npp or deca primarily for my old joints
Anivar 10mg sub lingual pre workout for a boost. 4 weeks on 4 weeks off?
2ui HGH before bed
0.5 / 1mg Reta to keep things tight.
I have used all of these compounds before multiple times.
I do unfortunately have pre existing gyno which obviously didn’t flare up at all with my last cycle but I don’t want it to become an issue for this one either.
I have started by eating an extra meal a day and then I’ll ramp up from there.
Any advice would be welcome. I have my hands on most other compounds if you have a better plan.
Ai’s nolva on hand etc.
I take a range of supps to help with liver and general health.
Thanks for reading.
Next summer I’d be running (depending on how this goes) a test/primo cycle to cut again. Up the Reta etc.
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Lots of great info below. Just an FYI from personal experience- I have mild pre-existing gyno also, but I take a 20 mg nolva/tamoxifin tab in the AM and it keeps it almost unnoticeable.
Just know it’s not a cure. It’s a great temporary “fix”, but if the tamoxifen goes away my nips puff back up. It’s more of a summer time thing since I’m not pool side or anything without a shirt during the winter lol
One thing I’d be careful with is using “better joint feel” as a reason to add another compound. Less pain doesn’t necessarily mean the joint is healthier - sometimes it just makes it easier to push harder than you should.
With the ALT issue and existing gyno, I’d want those properly checked first and then keep the plan as simple as possible.
Honestly, I’d look at the bulk itself before changing the drug list. If food, sleep and training are moving in the right direction, you may not need to make the cycle more complicated at all.
At 46/47, with old joint issues and ALT already elevated, I’d probably value recovery and stable health markers more than squeezing out a little more scale weight. The extra meal and gradual increase in training load sound like the smartest part of the plan to me.
With ALT around 100 and gyno already in the picture, I’d probably sort those out before adding more compounds. The stack is getting pretty complicated for a “mild” bulk.
If it were me, I’d want repeat liver labs, blood pressure, lipids and estradiol checked before deciding anything. Sometimes keeping it simpler makes it much easier to tell what’s actually causing the problems.
I suppose the other question is would there be an advantage to do primo/mast half and dose each?
Or swap from primo to mast half way through? Just thinking out loud…. For conversations sake
Your cycle looks like a good place to start based on the previous cycle. At 200 mgs NPP is your best bet. If you’re going to keep the Reta in while you’re growing then maybe keep it at the lower dose for two weeks or so and then pull it completely. I’m not sure about you but I could gain 35 pounds of body fat quickly. But when trying to eat to grow, with mostly clean foods I struggle to finish my meals by the end of each day. I couldn’t imagine a 16 week growth phase with a GLP slowing down digestion and blunting the appetite at all.
I’m on 1mg of Reta right now and can eat for England. I’ve been on it for about 6 months at around 2mg per week.
It’s really not in the way at the moment but I will maybe reduce to 0.5 and see how I go. Eating has never been a problem for me without Reta and it only mildly slows it down on it at these lower dosages. Now I’ve ramped down I could eat all day lol
Choose NPP over Deca any day mate - feels loads better and doesn't take 5 weeks to build up. NPP feels punchy where as Deca is like an Old hog.
Will do. Save the deca to go with my trt/ cruise at a low dose