Trustworthy doctors
I met with a brand new doctor today because most of the other doctors I've had were stupid idiots who don't know anything about lifting. I read about a guy in my area who graduated from the same school I graduated from and decided to try him out. It turns out I finally found a quality doctor who is willing to listen, understand and HELP with steroid related issues and just generally want to talk about AAS. Now that I found someone who can help me with medical issues incase I have any such as Gyno surgery, bloodwork, I have more peace of mind knowing that I don't have to hide my use of AAS from my doctor.
In the past, when I was natural even mentioning AAS my doctors was a one way trip to the classic stereotypical conclusions, for example, steroids are bad for you, steroids shrink your dick, steroids are illegal. All these conclusions being made by people who have no idea what steroids do, how to use them safely, what the BENEFITS are, and have most importantly never even tried a basic cycle. I always believe its good to have an open mind and to listen to everyones opinions but doctors especially shut you out completely because they went to med school. FUCK THAT, degrees are just degrees and I graduated with a lot of people who shouldn't have graduated. These are the future physical therapists, doctors, and healthcare professionals, complete utter morons. Don't even get me started on personal trainers because they are literally assembly lines for gyms to push as many people through and suck up as much money as they can from people. I have held a number of personal training jobs and one thing they all have in common, the gyms don't give a shit about the clients all they care about is how fast you can use up the clients sessions so they can renew and buy another set of 30 sessions for $1000. Experience is worth much more than a $50,000 piece of paper.
I apologize for that rant. My reason for posting this is to find out just how common it is to find a quality doctor who doesn't think he knows everything, and is willing to accept AAS and help you and better him/herself by learning from you about AAS. I finally found a good one and I want you guys to tell me about your doctors and how they first reacted when you first told them about your steroid use, did they listen to you when you tried to explain to them the benefits, and safely using them? Did they completely tune you out and treat you like a lesser person? I'm interested in any stories you guys have 
I apologize if I offend any personal trainers or doctors on this site I'm sure there are good ones out there, maybe its just me lol.
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Interesting topic and thread. Firstly you are lucky you have found a Doc that you can trust. There are a hand full of MDs in my circle of friends who I have known for over a decade that are not very supportive of AAS use but definitely enjoy their own recreational drug use, which I find ironic. They basically tell me steroids are not worth it, but love asking me what my diet is, how much cardio I'm doing, what my workout routines are, and telling me how great I'm looking. I really feel the objection of AAS use is ingrained subliminally in our culture and medical fields. I have yet to find a personal Doc that I feel comfortable bringing up the topic with. The one infection I got from AAS use I told the Doc it was a, "cat scratch/puncture," to get a round of antibiotics. I have never paid for a trainer, but I have used my training to make friends. As for the comments about disclosure I treat it like the last polygraph test I took for a job. It's not lying if you only tell them what you want them to know, you are in control of the conversation. I always keep in mind that AAS users are less that 3% of the population. My $.02
Thanks for the input. I'm starting to get the sense that finding a doc like mine is deff a rare thing. I agree with you that steroids are perceived as bad because of our culture. The students that I graduated with all have the mentality that whatever we were NOT taught in school or from our textbooks is wrong. Its absolutely insane and close minded. lol its also crazy that substances like cigarettes, which say on the box that they kill you are legal but steroids which actually provide a ton of benefits if used safely are illegal. Who knows, maybe steroids hold the cure for muscular dystrophy or other musculoskeletal problems! I guess we'll never know. People are stuck in this mindset that if its legal its ok and if its illegal its not ok. Laws are manmade. Obviously there are laws that need to be passed.
I totally agree with you about gym's take on personal trainers. I got hired on by a major chain several years ago but ended up not taking the job when I found out about sales quotas and how they just didnt care at all about client progress. Im a trainer, but I do freelance in home training so there is no one looking over my shoulder and I can actually spend a decent amount of time working on each clients plans.
As for Drs I have yet to find a decent one. A few years back my old doc freaked out on me when I told him I used creatine lol. I dont see that Dr any more. Their stance on nutrition is just as bad. The whole medical community is populated hy moronic sheep that cant think for themselves and are only good at regurgitating the same bs from medical texts from 50 years ago arrrggghhh. Ok my rant over now.
Lolllll yea that's exactly what I'm saying. Health and fitness can't be treated as a business. If people want real results it has to be a slow and dedicated lifestyle change, you can't just throw money at it and make it better. I was also taught by stupid ass professors who had us learn about studies from the 60's and 70's. There has to be new research out now that's relevant!! All anyone cares about is money these days even the doctors, which is kinda scary. I hope you find an open minded doc like I did. "Moronic sheep that can't think for themselves" describes a lot of medical professionals perfectly man.
The only doctor I ever disclosed AAS use to was the cardiologist that did heart surgery on me at the Johns Hopkins Hospital. It was a life or death situation and I felt full disclosure was worth risking losing my health insurance in the process.
My Fraternity brother is CEO of one of our nation's largest health insurance carriers. Many many years ago I approached him about disclosure and was given the stern warning that it isn't the doctor that's going to be your worst nightmare. It's us. We find out you actively use illegal anabolics and we will drop you like a hot potato and position your disposition in the health insurance world such that no other carrier will pick u up. But I thought I had HIPAA privacy. He laughed so hard I thought he was gonna choke on his spit.
If u have insurance and your doctor is taking notes of your sessions as he should, pray that HIPAA doesn't do a compliance audit in his office and accidently stumble on your records . . . . and do any light reading
I have already run through this scenario in my head, because I feel it might come up with my doctor sometime. Before I disclose any AAS use, I would look him in the eye and say, "Can we discuss this off the record?" If yes, then we have the conversation. If not, let's move on.
Thats a good idea, If I ever need a new doc ill use that line lol.
SO true. Never Never disclose the fact unless it's a life or death situation
Wow thats crazy, but good to know. So were all pretty much risking our health insurance by using AAS. My doctor didn't document my steroid use, literally none of it.
We won't lose health insurance over it but it will likely increase premiums and such. My biggest fear is life insurance. They would find any reason to blame it on AAS.
I really want to tell my doc what I've been doing. I hate lying. It just makes things more difficult for them to figure out what could be going on. But, I'm going to keep my mouth shut for as long as possible.
Not sure off the record will mean anything. This isn't journalism. They can easily throw in a comment in your file and then it's stuck there forever. I've seen my file, I have "opiate abuse" stuck in my record. Not sure how good it would look along side "steroid user"
Bad advice. You will lose your insurance. If u did not disclose to the insurance company that your were an AAS user when your policy became active then you have hidden a pre-existing condition from the carrier that is definitely a basis for the termination of coverage at their discretion.
I wasn't giving any advice.
Regardless, I wasn't using aas when my policy became active. I was hiding nothing. will not lose insurance. Do you realize there are many people getting treatment because they fucked themselves up using aas. I know many people that straight out told their doc. I won't be doing it but especially with Obamacare...They won't be dropping you. Remember, we can't be denied coverage but it can certainly cost us more.
Personally I think we make a bigger deal out of it than it is. Drug addicts, alcoholics and the like fuck themselves up pretty bad yet insurance continues to cover their treatment over and over again . Can they make it difficult on us? , yes without question but they will have to do some digging.
And for the record again, I'm not advising people to do it. I wouldn't do it myself because I don't want to deal with it. As I said, I personally know people that are straight forward with their doc and all is good. The future is unknown but each circumstance is unique. One could get penalties and the next person may not. It all depends on how far the insurance company is willing to go.
I don't know much about insurance. I'm still a college kid but from what I hear the insurance system is pretty messed up at the moment. I don't talk about politics and obamacare because I just don't know much about it lol. I 100% agree with you about insurance constantly covering alcoholics and drug addicts though. I feel like insurance companies cover people with alcohol, cigarette related issues, and prescription drugs because these are just huge money makers. Fuck, I mean I've even heard there is a cure for cancer but they won't disclose it to the public because they would be losing billions of dollars in chemo treatment. I don't mean to get all conspiracy theorist here lol.
Well, my friend, all I can say is that your confidence in the insurance industry seems to be higher than mine. I own a small software company with over 20 full time employees that I still provide full medical and dental benefits to. We have high end insurance and the premiums per employee are $730 / month.
The things I have seen the insurance companies do to my small team over the years have been horrifying in terms of not paying out benefits and even dropping coverage for seemingly whimsical reasons.
I have also sent employees to drug and alcohol rehab. Insurance companies are tolerant, but you can exhaust that as well.
All I am saying is, don't give people a sense that they are NOT going to have problems with their insurance if they need, for example, cardiac surgery, and somehow the damage to the heart can be traced back to AAS abuse.
I don't know all the answers, certainly, but as an employer, I think I have a richer perspective on this than most people do.
I completely agree and understand. Our difference of opinion is that you are "matter of fact" people will encounter issues. My opinion is that it's a crap shoot. I believe most likely nothing will happen, BUT there is huge risk and something could very well happen.
Only things certain are death and taxes ;)
I'm curious, were you covered for your cardiac issues after you told them about your use?
If it were not at Johns Hopkins and if it were not for the fact that the head of the cardiac catheterization lab was doing the work and wanted to try something a little experimental with me in one of those operating theaters where all the cardiology fellowship students stood around both the operating table and viewed the procedure from a second floor gallery looking down and if my acquiescence in the matter were not predicated on - "What steroids?" I don't know what the result would have been. The insurance carrier never knew.
What you're saying is true and it's even worse if you are self-insured.