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So I have to admit Sust is my go to. I dunno what it is but I just like it more. I just feel different on it vs. Cyp/Enath. Ive tried them back to back a couple times now and I just don't feel the same as when on Sust. Ive even started to convert back to Sust when I am on my TRT dosing.
Anyone else in the same boat?
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What brand/maker is the Sustanon?
What rules are you about to break?
Sustanon feels great for me as well
It could be the propionate in it. I like sustanon over enth or cyp. I like prop over sust. I like test suspension over propionate.
I feel ya. I really like to pin low doses of sUs EOD when I’m able to.
Well Sust works for some and not others but thing is most of it's esters are short, iso ester in sust is arguably a medium ester but overall you get a higher blood test level, but that higher blood level falls faster too due to shorter esters half life. Some guys convert less e2 on sust while others convert the same as being on c or e. Sust was thought to be the most stable form of testosterone but it didn't turn out that way.
I have spoke with a few guys on here about SUST, I haven't tried yet. plan to give it a go in 4+ weeks. I had planned on trying to cruise on it before ramping up into cycle. @TheIcon have you used for a cruise previously? do you titrate up, or blast levels from the jump?
on the subject of feeling better, blew my mind when I used TestE VS TestC. I am much more level on TestE & can understand the "better well being" feeling.
Some reason some folks seem to notice a difference between c and e. I do
Man, I’m the opposite. Test E on a cruise makes me feel bloated and sluggish compared to the same dose of test c. I’ve never ran e for longer than six weeks or gotten bloods on it because of that. I need to give it another shot and see exactly what’s going on because the difference is like night and day. When I’m blasting I don’t notice any difference at all and test levels come back similar to test c but I’m also way more on top of e2 so that probably has something to do with it.
I always seems to be extra oily , & more on edge/anxious or chance of becoming anxious with CYP, I also don’t seem to convert CYP as well , at higher doses. My e2 on 250mg of cyp was 12. My e2 on 250-300mg of test E is 22-29.
My mind says it’s should be the opposite reaction with the minor difference in half lives. Cyp had “more time to convert” mindset. Yet Enthanate shows more conversion to E2.
I would of thought you would of had higher e2 on test C but that goes to show that we all respond a bit differently. Were u using an AI?
No, I have not used AI since getting away from TRT clinic. They had me on an AI upon signing up. Befor i had knowledge. my E2 tanked on 200mg cruise.
Damn you tanked e2 on 200mg? Well I wonder what your natural e2 levels are...Meaning with natty test levels converting. Biological test levels
yes , when I was with the TRT clinic I was prescribed without having a natural E2 reading, prescribed TEST CYP with AI compounded. vial was 200.5mg the .5 being anastrozole. I was taking .5 - 100mg twice weekly. once I elected to have E2 and prolactin checked I realized E2 was 9. it wasnt the 200mg of test, it was the anastrozole.
Ok so it was the ai then. Yeah that's why bloods are needed before an AI is thrown into the mix. Bet u felt like trash. But hey you didn't know any better, but that clinic should of known better...or hell maybe they didn't either lol. That's crazy man. I've never taken an AI before.
I have not used any AI since, knowing what I do now, still blows my mind that it went the way it did with a “doctor” on board.
@Triggerman83 that doesn't surprise me with some Doctors. Some of them don't even know much about nutrition. I've talked to a few that I had to school on nutrition. Lol these are the folks that we depend on. No knock on all Docs though .
For a fairly new guy you've come a long way though.
I work alongside doctors and have a couple in my family. They usually know a lot about whatever it is that they deal with the most inside of their specialty and very little about anything else. The problem is they assume that whatever they learned about nutrition or hormones in med school is correct, current and relevant to most cases. Even actual endos are not necessarily up to date on the best trt practices unless that is their main focus. Good doctors recognize this and will do the extra research to provide the best care but if you don’t know how to evaluate that yourself it’s russian roulette. Just my opinion here but I’ve seen stuff like this a lot.
I couldn't of said that any better my man. @Triggerman83 Primo hit the nail on the head with this comment. What he said is fact. Like I said just talking to some Docs I knew something was off with their thinking. We've had long discussions. Also we got to understand their focus is more on big pharma
That’s 100% the truth! You have to do the due diligence of vetting your docs and some people don’t have the education required to do so, and end up blindly following what 35 year old medical textbooks told their doc.
Finding a specialized Endo or Urologist is essential in this game imo. Sure, most of us can read our bloodwork ourselves decently, but having someone who oversees hundreds of similar use cases and keeps up to date with the most relevant treatments, practices, and medical advances is a godsend and amazing safety net.
Also nice to get script T for a great price, lol.
Yeah, this is interesting. I figured test e was giving me high e2 but maybe it was actually low. I just feel “off” when I run it at lower doses for some reason.
Yeah I'm curious as to why is that. You would think an ester that close to cyp ester wouldn't make much of a difference but it does in some folks. Now of course science will say it doesn't but I gotta disagree. I can't explain it my man. I get irritable on C. Still trying to figure it out
I’m going to cruise on test e this summer and get a full blood panel to see if there’s anything obvious going on. If not, it probably just magic lol
Good luck my man
Thanks buddy. We’ll see how it goes
Crazy how different some bodies are.
I’m the opposite never run Cyp. due to retention and I get so oily that I even get some pimples occasionally. Normally solely run E especially on TRT, but I have been using a combo of Sust ED/EOD, some E 2x a week, and TNE on slow days during cycle.
Having some prop & especially TNE can really be the kick in the ass I need.
I responded above before seeing this, I agree 100%. I am much more oily with test cyp. Find myself more anxious / on edge also, I don’t seem to convert cyp as well, so assuming the lower E2 is where the anxiousness come from for me.
I am going to try the SUST in few weeks, I finished cycle up last week , I am planning on cruising in 250-300 mg of sust and getting labs before ramping or adding any other compounds. Plan ultimately is to pair sust & eq to see how I react and effects are.
I also use the TNE / Suspension on heavy days. The feeling of the TNE on heavy days is what I’m hoping to achieve from the sust cruise/ cycle.
I think you’ll like it if you haven’t used sust or prop before. I’ve done sole prop cycles with ED injects and absolutely loved it. Just make sure you’re increasing injection frequency as required.
I will say you do get a similar feeling from prop & phenylprop, but I cannot say it’s ever gotten to the same intensity as a big ole shot of TNE or suspension. Is leagues above from using just E or C though for the “feeling”.
I ran prop only for first few cycles. I was an EOD injection with TNE or susp on “off” days. The amount of the 100mg of prop used vs SUST 250mg+ ; was assuming similar feeling without the quantity of oil needed as we ramp up to higher doses. I have learned I am fine with the m-w-f or actual EOD injections and makes sense about levels being more consistent with more frequent injections. The few comments you have made , & some of the others have me even more excited now. lol.
I was running a prop/provi cycle last summer in Italy with my wife. I thought I was gonna end up with a callus on my dick by the time I got home. Mentally, probably the best I’ve felt on cycle.
Man, I love prop. My favorite ester by far. It’s not just that it's more powerful mg for mg, there’s something about it that makes me feel absolutely beastly even with identical bloods to test c. I’ve considered running it on my next cruise at like 100-120mg/wk just to see if it acts the same way for me at lower doses. The sust I’m on now has me feeling similar though so I’m leaning towards just continuing on with it after I drop the dose for a few months to see how I feel.
If you try TNE get it without guaiacol. 50mg/ ml should be guaiacol free. Keep us updated
You ever tried TNE or suspension? If you like that prop feeling I have a feeling you’ll love no ester like me! Absolutely one of my favorite pwo’s- 50-100mg before the gym, or even before a night out or with your partner it is fucking amazing. Feel absolutely beastly mentally and libido is endless. Sometimes when I’ve gone out after a large TNE dose I swear females and leading conversations come easier… it’s like they sense the pheromones lol!
If I can I'll buy suspension over prop. It gets tedious with pinning but I b really don't mind.
Id rather run 4 week cycles vs 12.
I really don't see the point in longer esters anymore unless you really don't like pinning.
Lol I don't like pinning. Damn suspension doesn't give u pip? I know the micronization of the hormone has gotten better but still.
I agree 100%. “Blissful” @Mikeyt84L.I..N.Y. Said something one time like “blissful aura” and it really rang true!!!
6hr halflife on oil but still get an e2 spike. Pwo only imo. Just on those hard af days.
Oh yeah obviously have to watch for rebound and spikes. Pretty easy to control just dose same day.
I’ve actually heard of some hardcore guys running full cycles of the stuff. Multiple injections ED, but I have never seen it in person or heard of it recently.
Seems insane to me, but in theory could be pretty effective if you somehow manage to stay halfway stable.
Read test is not test and shorts run like that will be seen as useless. Shorts are handy for intended quick aggression....but check out that forum. Its mind opening
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Every 8 hrs. See results the next day.
I haven't tried it but I’m planning on ordering some with my next pack just to try it out. I’ll take 12.5-25 mg of dbol pwo every once in while for a similar effect but the methylestrogen hits me so hard for the next couple days that I can’t do it often unless my e2 is already running low. TNE seems like the perfect solution plus no worries about your liver or anything. I’m stoked to try it out.
I’ve made similar change recently too. Started with the Test E ran for about 8 weeks, but I switched to Test C to see if it would stop the sides I was getting(water retention, sinus pressure, high e2). I also picked up some Sust as well to try in the future to see how I react to that as well.
I have. my cruise is my TRT dose. About 175mg a week. I usually break it up into 3 small micro doses.
Testosterone is a test, I mean, they will all work like this. The difference they will make in well-being is more related to the variation of peaks and valleys, although many people believe that the half-life of the substance determines everything. There are many reports like yours that disprove this. For example, I really like SUSTANON, and the reason why is that I believe that since each ester has a date to leave the body, I end up having a certain stability in general. But even though I normally follow the pin protocol on Monday and Thursday. I believe that test E or Test C may be easier to achieve stability without oscillations of peaks and valleys. But this is very personal thing, it is not mathematical. After all, each body has a different time and reaction to each compound. I personally stick with SUSTANON and don’t bother any pip, I mean I feel nothing lol --
Sust was developed for that very reason; more stable levels with the "half-life" and pinning schedule similar to E or C.
In reality though, that didn't turn out to be the case, so it was basically abandoned as a TRT protocol.
I think over the pond its still the primary compound used unlike Cyp here in the states.
I’m running sust with eq and npp right now. I feel great on it so far. My only complaint is that getting my e2 dialed was a little tricky because I’ve never run a test ester as long as D but I’ve pretty much got it figured out now I think.
I like sust a lot. Cycle eod or ed pins blended and matches items like eq or deca easily.
This is what I wanted to hear!!! lol
If you need any extra input just let me know. On blending you can hit that pip type high mg gear blended with no issues. Blending and how you pin means a lot. Down side is after 12plus weeks pinning just gets old. Lol