Abuse. Hmmm. I'm a pretty liberty minded individual, but we all know that if we damage ourselves, we're damaging the ones who love us. Being members of a social species, we do have some small responsibility to our larger communities (our families, neighbors, city, state, nation, blah blah). That said...

Abuse is anything that compromises your health, either in the short term or long term, making it to where others will have to take care of you. That goes for booze, tobacco, AAS, etc.

(I reserve the right to change my personal definition of "abuse" as my own experiences and conversations continue to educate me!)

I would say abuse is using crazy high amounts there people who need test for hrt and that isn't considered as qbuse just people who are silly and think more is better

Well, by definition drug abuse is the habitual taking of addictive or illegal drugs. So technically everyone that takes these drugs outside a Doctors care is considered an abuser by society, unless you reside in a country that allows personal usr legally.

I, along with everyone here however do not recognize most "societal norms". All of our perceptions of abuse will vary based on what we consider excess. I would agree with below that "non professional" users that engage in cycles similar to what "Professionals" engage in are good examples of steroid abuse.

I look at it from this perspective, if it negatively effects your life then it is abuse. If you can't control your anger/mood swings because you're on 3 grams of different oils and lose your wife because of it, it has negatively affected your life. That's just an example, I know most people don't get the rage lol but still. If your doctor says its negatively affecting your health, ie enlarged heart, prostate, liver, and you continue to do it, while that is your choice it is also considered abuse.

The problem is society views any use of "illicit" drugs as abuse when that isn't the case. In my humble opinion whats the difference between a famous musician getting drunk or high on stage and a bodybuilder taking hormones. Granted, I am only comparing these things in the scope of what a person illegally uses, I am not comparing their effects on the body or the fact that bodybuilders use of drugs is totally different than a person who drinks to get drunk.

The only person who can tell you if you are abusing a drug is yourself, the mirror can do wonders. Yes I probably come back on cycle too soon/often but I am in no way abusing. I'm sure we have all cut our "off" time by a few weeks to eagerly get back on cycle.

Abuse of any drug, illicit or licit, prescribed or unprescribed, comes from mismanaged use and ingnorance regarding the pharmokinetics of the substance.

depending if your a seasoned bodybuilder who does this as a career, competitions etc those guys are different.

if you an average gymrat doing it too look good for the beach, or too pull some tail at a music festival, not coming off is abuse, there is no reason why you cant cycle and pct.

so in closing the reasoning behind the way you do it to me is whether its abuse or not.

2-3 - 10-12 week cycles a year with pct? not abuse.

staying on for 8 months with multiple oils plus orals= abuse

not eating, dieting or training properly and continuosly ramp up you juice use, ading orals upping your doses to try and compensate shitty diet= abuse

being a twig with no base and no training history, taking steroids= abuse

running over 1500mgs of oils per week when not a pro or seasoned vet on trt etc= abuse

kids running juice= abuse

champion of the mind= abuse= lmao

To me the abuse is caused the quickest by oral usage. Guys using crazy amounts of toxic drugs or doing oral only cycles because they don't like injections.

Bostin Lloyd style cycles I certainly look at as abuse too. Ive certainly got back on cycle with less than the recommended amount of time off before but I would never touch the doses that some guys talk about. I'm a 500-750 test guy while on cycle so 2 grams seems totally insane to me.

We don't talk about this on this website much cause it's a loaded gun in the hands of people looking for a short cut. For young men that want to be in great shape and work their asses off in the gym but are not on a path to becoming professional athletes self administered TRT is incredibly risky (you can call it blasting and cruising to make it sound better but that's what it is) is in my mind steroid abuse. I'm drawing that line here in situations where PCT will still be effective to maintain muscle but the user is simply lazy. That's my personal opinion. That's what you asked for.

Now, anybody who thinks about this will realize that any man carrying 40-50 lbs. of muscle mass beyond their natural potential is going to need some pretty steady stream of some sort of anabolic to maintain that. That kind of mass isn't natural and a man does not produce enough natural testosterone to maintain that. No one that builds that kind of physique has any delusions that it will not require chemicals to maintain. Can it be maintained by a certain number of cycles per year. Of course, in some cases, sure. Can we get big enough where we need Test all year long. That can happen sure. I'm loathe to call it steroid abuse when the steroid user has taken all the risks into account and made that choice from which there is usually no turning back.

Also, it may be that my love for the sport of bodybuilding is preventing me from simply saying that all the pros and many of the super heavy amateur bodybuilders are all abusers. I most certainly don't like the taste of putting myself in that category. LMAO

Man this is a good post, interested to see what everyone's opinions are...

I'd say "Abuse" is just that.. IF you're abusing your body because you're not staying off long enough or you're not cruising at a CRUISE dose... it's flat out bad for your body, thus ABUSE

JUST MY .02