Quick cut then bulk, or fu&k it, fat boy!
So here's my dilemma. As some of you will know or if you look at my posts, I did a national show and posted pics. I got my weight down to 224.8 just enough to make heavys. Now my true weight was abot 232. Since then, 2 weeks later I rebounded like an idiot cause I had some eating disorders developing from my show. Now I'm 260lbs. Not fat but definitely not lean.
I bounced back to say roughly 12% bf. I'm starting my off season cycle here in about 4 weeks. Nothing crazy but a decent cycle "for me" and now since i rebounded so hard I was thinking first 4 weeks I cut hard!!! Hopefully get down to around 7-8% at 245ish pounds and then bulk up from here for a cleaner gain and won't start at 12%. Or just say fuck it and bulk from here.
Test will be at 500mg wk 1-6, 750mg 7- 16
Deca at 375mg wk 1-6, 500mg 7-14
Adrol 2 weeks on off approach at 75mg ed, or 50 if 75 is too much.
Hgh at 3ui 5/2
And igf also, 20mg pw.
Now I made a post on my cycle but this I wanted your opinion on doing a mini cut first or it may be a waste of time? I'm leaning toward cutting first.
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basskiller89Apples or oranges brother
At the end of my bulk basically, I’m a fat solid and steady 270lbs. Lol I’m probably anywhere from 12-14% bf. Wish i could have gotten to 275 or more since now I’m going to come all the way off till the the begging of February as the end of feb will be prep time.
RustyhookerSounds like you did great!
Little update.
Ran 2ui the first 2 weeks of hgh right before my workout along with my nutrient driver. Post wo pinned igf lr3 at 40mcg total bilateral.
Using a modified version of he muntant proctol.
This last week I’m now doing 4ui, 2uiam and 2ui pre workout and same with nutritent driver. And decided to start doing the igf pre workout and must say the pumps are amazing. So this is gonna be a fav or mine. I used it before preworkout and wasn’t 100% sure that’s why my pumps were amazing but since running again, yes!!!
Starting to get “falling asleep” feeling and slight pain in my arms and hands when sleeping so I’m backing off the hgh to 3 unit total. Not sure if it’s that or the igf making that happen cause I have experienced this before in the past but don’t remember if I was even running igf at the time.
Started this 3 weeks ago, weight starting at 256ish and a solid 265 for the last few days.
Off adrol and will run again for 2.5 weeks in a couple weeks.
I’m honestly starting to look imo a little leaner and more round or “pop” and well as slightly more vascular. Very surprising since I’m not genetically that way and being so off-season and at my heaviest is awesome.
Might have to bump up the test to 1000mg a week and give that a go. For a bit. If I do that will be another 4-6 weeks from now.
RustyhookerExcellent!!! You'll grab that pro tag!
Test 750mg 1-16
Deca at 375mg wk 1-13
Adrol 2 weeks on / off approach at 75mg ed, or 50 if 75 is too much.
Hgh at 2ui for 4 weeks then up to 4ui after
Along with another new compound preworkout (taboo subject won't mention onnopen forum) starting with 2ui and upping later also.
And igf lr3 also, 20mg pw in bilateral.
Undated cycle in OP.
Took out the eq
RustyhookerSo you're fresh outta show and want dnp? You ok bro?
??? What? Lmao. Where did dnp come from?
I'm confused m, I don't remember saying anything about dnp
RustyhookerOk... my bad i guess.
https://www.eroids.com/reviews/dnp/dnp-burner#comment-2640748
Yes looking for it for the next show which isn't for about 6 months so...... not for my bulk.
Ps your a stalking MF aren't you lol
That stuff will kill you!
I understand. Take too much and your done.... that's why I also take too much Tylenol ..... take too much and boom. T
RustyhookerWorried for your health. Added your sorry ass to the adv group just now as well.
Where you wont need to lie.....smh. i hate liars
And what are you talking about liars? I may have pondered the idea of a quick dnp but I'll be using is for my next cut, next year. I'm just gonna probably go no carb for 3-4 weeks then start my bulk by slowly upping my carbs throughout weeks
RustyhookerUp top. Cant read? I asked you why you're looking for dnp. You replied....
Whats your question?
You are correct but I wasn't sure what you were talking about since it wasn't in this thread, it was in another thread. Sorry for not putting he two together man... not sure if your days not going well but if it's not, I understand, no need to nit pick man. We all have bad days.
RustyhookerNo worries bro. I too have shitty ones.
https://www.eroids.com/og/adavanced-cycles-and-taboo-subjects/mrcoolbean...
Here's a good spot to visit. Enjoy!!
Thanks man. Cheers
Yes looking for it for the next show which isn't for about 6 months so...... not for my bulk.
Ps your a stalking MF aren't you lol
My bulking cycle consist of everything in OP,
Not any other post. Can I not gather other info and stuff for future things after my bulk that I'll fun next year?
I noticed lately mods and stuff really getting on me for shit. Really nit picky
Sorry can you delete his one, my phone is fucking up
RustyhookerBecause you're a liar.
Whatever you say brother. . Your a mod/ exp so do what you must. I'm looking for some for my next show, and thought maybe to run it now but won't. It will be more useful later as it doesn't work well if I'm lower in bf anyways, works better for 15 or more bf.
They can't hide from you rusty!Not to mention how would one get fat on that poison? +1
RustyhookerBodybuilding is very different than gym rat so tgey do use different things. Dude gotta do whatever i guess. Im done on this one.
Yes sir.I don't judge at all just got a laugh from the post.
Rustyhooker2 weeks since last cycle?
Why jump back onto cycle. Show was probably harsh on everything bro.
I agree, going back on after 6 weeks first off isnt very healthy, not to mention the gains wont be near as good as if one waited say 12 weeks or so. But going back on 6 weeks after a show is even worse as prep is very harsh. id do a slower natty cut over a little more time.
idk what the rush is, he says he has 12 weeks to bulk, that puts him into mid november, thats when the last shows of the year are and theres no time to prepare if your just coming off a bulk a week before the last show. id assume next show wouldnt be until next spring, which would allow him to take some time off and then start an offseason cycle. But obviously we dont know his plans.
I may wait a little longer. I could hold off probably till late sep. I plan on doing another national show mid next year probably. Any there is a show I have in mind to qualify me for in June. So I'll start prep early march at about 12 weeks out from the June show and 20 weeks from national. Say I give myself 8 weeks off before I start that, that leave me at starting my 16 week bulk at sep 4th since I'll cut for 3-4 weeks then bulk for the rest. Which would end at the end of December.
Been about three weeks since my last pins. Actually just over. But yes I know. It'll be a full 6 weeks which isn't he recommended time. I get it. But I'm trying something new, there's a few things I learned from being coached by tuttle. And I'm going to consider I'm trying to go pro. Let's be honest. That's what I want. I'm not a typical gear user to look good at the beach or anything. This will be my first time not taking a full 12 weeks off.
Surprisingly I feel really good right now.
But yes I understand the questioning and everything. I appreciate the concern.
Ps also I'm done with kids. Me and my wife are good with our boy and girl so that problem isn't a problem anymore.
"Ps also I'm done with kids. Me and my wife are good with our boy and girl so that problem isn't a problem anymore."
Hope you aren't relying on the roids as a form of birth control. At 40+ years old I knocked up my wife in the middle of a test p/mast p cycle a few months ago....it happens.
I put one in the oven at 49 while on cycle.
Hahah no. She's on the 5 year thing or whatever it's called. Def wouldn't rely on being on gear as a form of birth control lmao.
RustyhookerIts your body. Everyone here knows your goals bro. Suggest running bloods often as possible. Estro is a very tiny worry if your guts are stressed. Your cholesterol, liver, kidneys, thyroid....
I'd cut. I'm in the same position, we'll sort of. I need to pig on more size but I'm not that lean right now. So I'm not gonna stop cutting until I am. Then I'll start to slowly put side on. I always gain to much fat bulking as I get to caught up in the scale. Then I cut and make the same mistake. Think I might actually throw my scale away lol. I have a mirror and tape measures that's all I need.
srt8calithrow some tren in there and it'll never be a fat boy bulk ;)
I distinctly remember you saying tren is overrated
srt8calii'll give you a + because you've defended me a few
times but i'm going to tear into you a little bit here to see what you're trying to get at. because you also made it seem like it genetically lucky to have the physique i have and try to be clever with indirect insults. i knew exactly what you meant by that comment but i just laughed and let it go. no hard feelings from this sentence on. i got a great three weeks out of it brother. i'll stick to my word just as i did in my end cycle pic so i'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. as if you're trying to catch me on a fluke. just because it didn't work all that mighty for me doesn't mean that the compounds capabilies still change on what it's able to do. i won't argue with what most will say is fact that you pack fewer mass composed of fat even if your diet isn't spot on. just because i don't advocate tren doesn't mean i can't relay other information. lol why does everyone here almost usually feel the need to call someone out on little phrases they make. yeah i said i didn't like tren. what does that have to do with me saying tren will help him not gain fat? damn bro i know you're pretty unbiased in your arguments but stop trying to call everyone out every chance you get. it's a 1 in 20 that say tren is over rated. i'll still stick to my story. i always do. i'll try it once more with a difference source and if i got the same results this time, then for me it's not only overrated but it's absolute trash
You see wrong. I did say you are genetically lucky. That's a good thing. You're obviously also very hard working and intelligent, otherwise no one would be able to see that fact. Your genetics aren't doing the work; you are. I have nothing but respect for what you've accomplished and will no doubt continue to accomplish. You really think that I think you don't know what you're doing? I'm not calling you out at all. I was just ribbing a bit. I like to think we're all cool here. I'm dry as fuck so I understand my words being twisted. I can tell you that what you think I was getting at wasn't what I was getting it. Straight up. My compliment is genuine, and I stand by it. That's my mistake for wording it poorly. I want you to succeed and I wish you the best
Thank you for your honesty. It does hurt a bit to think you thought I would insult a member here out of spite or jealousy. That's not me. It never will be me. I'm here to encourage people not tear them down. The only people I insult are obvious trolls and guys putting the community at risk. That said, I apologize for what was obviously very poor wording on my part.
srt8calii don't like the cycle tbh
I know, most people would say double the eq lol but honestly sometimes more isn't better. Also the deca is more then likely gonna be 400 since my body did so well with my first cycle at 300 with my first bulk cycle. Hgh I know is also low but again, more isn't always better. First time with hgh and probably end up going to 4ui anyways.
srt8calii just reread ur posts and if your going 12% to 7% in 4 weeks then brother im the last person to give you advice. you clearly know ur shit lol. eq for me is useless af tbh and a waste of money tbh since you nearly need upwards a gram alone of that for any effects and i'd be dammed if i'm blowing a g of 1 compound alone followed by other stuff. not trying to risk my helwth but you do you bro seems like you got it figured it out on some big boy weights too
Ya that's why I wasn't really wanting to try eq cause of that reason. But I wanna see what a low / mod does of eq and deca will do. And yes 12 to 7 will be tonigh, I may be able to do 8% though, 1% a week. I maybe crazy progress the first few weeks of diet. I was loosing weight at zero cardio and 400csrbs when I started prep lol.
Without a doubt you need to clean that up. You'll thank yourself months from now that you didn't start your bulk on a bad foot. It may only take 2 weeks to strip alot of that off considering your metabolism may still be in check.
Let's start off a bulk being insulin sensitive and not already resistant. Drop those carbs down low on off days for the next few weeks, and pound the water to drive the salt out. I'm sure you're holding a shit ton of water.
That's one thing I noticed is I tend to hold a lot of water if my diet is perfect. I seriously looked 2x better after dropping water etc for my show it was crazy.
Sounds like that's what I'll probably do. I'll still have 12 weeks to bulk and add size, even longer possibly.
srt8calithis is what drives me crazy man. no one can figure out the perfect routine because everyone is crazy. dropping water for me and my face looks like a balloon. i just can't seem to figure out my bloat and i literally give up on it. one day i wake up dry af. repeat the same exact thing i did the day before and wake up the next day bloated. like wtf am i doing wrong haha i hate this bloat shit and i've realized i just jane to hope that the next day is a lucky one or not. i get it in the fade the most and it makes a night and day difference on how i look. bloated face makes my self esteem crazy low :(
You read Makwa's thread on cyclic bulking?
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
Might be what the doctor ordered instead of going all out on either a bulk or a cut. It could be you're a little bit burned out after the show still, and going on a traditional bulk or cut might make it worse. Just throwing that info out. See what you think. If anything, it's just slow bulking with mini cuts built in.
I'll read up thanks!!!
I definitely am not the type to stay at 6ish% and do a super slow bulk. For me a good bulk is 1lbs a week. Any more is too much fat gain and any less I feel like I'm cutting my maximum tissue gain
I shoot for about the same and do my best to stay under 15% but I'd 12% would be more optimal for me. We'll see this winter. When you planning on competing again?