+ 2 Mast and Body fat %
I'm still debating what to run on my next cycle. Right now I'm working on finishing off my last few pounds to get to 200. I don't have a dexa scan near me but by calipers it puts me at 17.1 I don't know if I agree with that I think I'm probably higher.
My question is this. My plan was to run NPP/Mast/Test on my next cycle. Probably shooting for 12 weeks with an anavar finisher the last 8. Some of the more experienced people I work around that I've got some good advice from with these cycles told me I needed lower body fat for Mast to "really shine". They say I need to be 15% or lower. Is this true?
My other option is I'm really wanting to try Tren. Starting low and staying fairly low less than 200mg a week with test. But I don't know which of the 2 would be my best way to continue my recomp and finish off the remaining fat I've got.
Ultimately the goal is 12% BF I'd love to be pushing 210-215 with BF that low but I know that's a world away, but what's the next best step to take in this process.
Just a little information. I'm a low aromatizer, typically don't have issues with that at all. I tend to not get as much from test, not sure if that's why, even on TRT I was running 200mg a week and my blood levels were coming in at 4-600 on that dose. So I normally have to run higher test. I've had good responses from the other compounds I've taken which arguably are limited, EQ, Anavar, and test obviously.
Any help is appreciated.
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Educate me please. So why do you all run NPP? Is it because of the mast and the drying properties affecting joints or do you all run it because it kicks ass?
People run NPP because of yes the joint support which aids in lifting heavier weight more comfortably deeper within the bulk when your strength goes up over the course of the bulk. Not only the joint support, but it is also highly anabolic, nandrolone is known to being one of the greatest tissue accrual compounds you can use other then Test it's self. Another reason people opt into NPP over Deca is because of the half life of it. It will be out of your system within a few days of stopping the use of it. People like short esters when it comes to 19-Nors because they have direct Progestogenic activity that can tank Dopamine which raises Prolactin and the downstream effect of that can induce Anxiety and Depression within some.
Even if not up front these symptoms can come on even a month or two down the road, so if the bad sides suck enough you can instantly pull the plug on it unlike Deca which would take well over a month to be fully out of your system. For whatever reason NPP is also known to be more "Dry" unlike Deca, I think this happens cause of the short ester so the compound cant stack on top of its self over time to induce the extra water weight.
Well said!
Thank you sir
Thanks for the in depth reply and being a little older I could definitely use the joint support.
Do you notice a difference in gym performance/strength from adding 200mg NPP vs just adding an additional 200mg test to 350mg existing test?
You should run the experiment, and let us all know if there is a difference or not. That be a interesting anecdotal read for sure.
I don’t know why I worded that the way I did assuming you’ve done that lol. I have some on the way and we may just have to see early next year
You can run Mast at any body fat. It’s an anabolic steroid. I really dislike the notion of “having to be this lean to use this steroid or you have to use this steroid to add mass.” It’s going to aid in recovery. Of course the lower body fat you are the more the “cosmetic look” will show because Mast also happens to pull out sub q water.
Run what you like. Run what you want.
Remember the steroids don’t lean you out. Diet leans you out.
Experiment over time. Find out what works for you and most importantly what you find enjoyable to run.
Well said. Shit gets old hearing people saying you're not lean enough to run aas.
Check my newest cycle layout obviously dosages are dependant im just about to run this exact cycle test e, mast e, npp then finish off with anavar
My plan is 16 week cycle
Weeks 1-8
720 test
450 mast
300 npp
Weeks 8-12 escalation of the npp
720 test
450 mast
450 npp
Weeks 12-16 Drop out the npp escalate the test + mast and add in 50mg anavar daily to keep up the anabolic load and help with the strength that may Drop off from the npp being dropped out and eek out the last little bits towards the end as the water drops off
900 test
600 mast
50 anavar
As I said this is my plan but is also my big off season blast
Yeah bro to me you look 11-12% not 17% run that Mast. You said on 200mg Test your numbers came back around 4-600 ng/dl? If that’s true then I hope your shit ain’t under dosed, if not and you’re an outlier. I’d pump that Test dose way up. I’d do like 5-600mg test, 2-300 NPP, and keep the Mast around 2-300mg as well. Let the Test be the main driving force of growth and the NPP and Mast be the supporting compounds. NPP for the join lubrication and cosmetic hardening of the Mast.
That's on my pharmacy stuff. I'm not saying it couldn't be under dosed I'm sure it can happen but it was like that on TRT for 8 years before I started dabbling in gear or increasing my dose
Based on your recent photo, you definitely appear to be around 15%, give or take a percent. The loose skin can be misleading and make you think you're higher. Looking great and the hard work is showing. I'm definitely not an expert, but I say run the Mast. I personally love a test/npp/mast cycle and have had good success with it. Good luck and keep grinding.
Yeah the loose skin is bothersome. It does seem to be decreasing. I think the GH I'm running right now is helping with that. Appreciate the kind words.
Im no expert, but the recent photo that you put up was pretty damn lean. Id be guessing, but I'd say you're leaner than 17% with a visible six pack. There's some loose skin there too that sometimes comes with age. Id be shocked if your dexa return was higher. Maybe someone better at eyeballing bf% will chime in and have a better take..
In any event, you're lean enough to hit the masteron. Mast certainly does seem to work a little more effectively the leaner you are, but with the cycle you're planning, the masteron will be greatly outshined by the npp/test. Those are what will be doing the brunt of the work, with the masteron acting mostly as a serm and helping keep you dry.
If you dial your diet in, you should be able to grow quite a bit and not put on much fat. But in order to max out those hormones, you're going to need to eat, and not panic at the scale going up or when your waist grows an inch or so due to glycogen and a fuller gut.
Would you have any recommendations on dosage? I was told 1:1:1 but I have a feeling I might need more test.
I'm not afraid to put on weight I just want to keep the fat low. I mean the more size I can hold and remain healthy and lean I'll be happy. I know at my age it's not the best idea to pack on a ton of mass, but I do think I still have some room to grow. Appreciate the advice.
The last time I ran this exact cycle I was pinning 500/300/200 test/npp/mast
I have sustanon on hand do you think that would be fine to run on this cycle? Think I should start it maybe a couple weeks prior? Also ED or EOD injections? I was leaning towards EOD but I can do ED
You should pin sust ED. NPP you can get away with EOD, but if you're running it all together I'd say to pin ED.
If you're gonna run sust/npp/mast you can just start everything all at once. If it's mast e, it will take a bit longer to catch up, but shouldn't be a big deal. the higher doses of the longer esters of test in the sust will lag a bit too, but the cruise dose of what you're running now will still be bio available, and the test prop and npp will kick in within days.
If it were me I'd just start the whole thing all at once and go with it. The blast, the food surplus and huge sets. Like d - day
Lol I like it. Thanks for the advice man.
I'm considering something very similar for my next blast, 400/300/300 test/npp/mast. How long did you run it for out of interest?
16 weeks. The npp I was running looked like frickin tren and had some pip but other than that was very productive. I think the ingredients situation has improved since then as well.
Nice, thanks
~15% would be my guess unless you just carry a lot of fat in your legs or back. You look great and I can tell you’ve lost an impressive amount of weight.