posted Tue, 10/06/2015 - 17:08
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LVT left ventricular hypertrophy so what?
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I been getting ecg regularly during my cycle my results were fine before now they are indicative of LVT. How much of a concern is it? How long would it take to reverse? Anyone with experience or knowledge about it? I am 100% sure it is due to a combination of steroids and aeorbic exercise. My doc wasn't really concerned, I played it down because I know why I got the result.
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RustyhookerMost bodybuilder and powerlifters get it. Not saying it's good, Arnold had corrective surgery a while back. Natural or roid head, the pressures we endure lifting heavy weights. Part of the life.
Wow. So what? I guess it's no big deal that your having physiologic changes to the most important organ keeping you alive. Part of what kh said below is true. The truth is that lvh in the short term might not cause you any issues but it is rarely if at all reversible. The only thing medically you can do is treat the heart with positive inotropics, shit that makes your heart more contractile. In the long term LVH usually leads to congestive heart failure. I don't mean to scare you or be a dick but Jesus man. That's not something to have a lackadaisical attitude about. I would quit while your (somewhat) ahead.
Ok what part of what I said isn't true then? This is coming directly from a medical textbook. LVH is a precursor to CHF when it's due to other health complications like hypertension or artherosclerosis. It is not when it is due to the patient having an athletic background. Also it is documented very well that LVH can be reversed at least partially by either lowering blood pressure when it is hypertension based, or ceasing physical activity in athletic heart syndrome. Where are you getting your information?
Information comes from years of school as well as years of experience in cardiology and dealing with patients of all backgrounds that have lvh. Textbooks are a good reference, I'll stick to what I have actually seen happen.
So you're saying you have gone through 4 years of med school, done a 3 year residency in internal medicine, and then a 2-3 year fellowship in cardiology at the age of 29?? And had time to treat years of patients?? I'm assuming from this you're an RN or something in which case you're mostly dealing with obese people with high blood pressure inducing LVH
RustyhookerGood math. Except after all you listed an Md would be attached ;)
Ok thankx for the answer Kh1216!
Left ventricular hypertrophy is extremely common in AAS users and relatively common in athletes in general. It is also called athletic heart syndrome and is not typically a problem as long as the cause is exercise induced and not high blood pressure and obesity or another underlying problem. The cause is a combination of factors. You have thicker blood and higher blood pressure usually so your heart has to pump harder to move it. The massive increase in muscle means your body has to supply that new mass with blood so your heart has to pump harder. And in general during cardio and lifting your heart pumps harder to meet the demands. The heart is a muscle so it will adapt to stress like any other muscle. It's not really a huge concern provided the septum doesn't grow to obstruct the aorta in which case it can lead to serious complications. The larger muscle in the heart can also cause it to lose some elasticity but again as long as you got it from exercising it is not a big deal. If it bothers you, not training for several months will reverse at least some of the growth but there's no real reason to
Sigh yes LVH :s oops. Is it a common thing? I have done many cycles I just never really bothered much with aeorbics beside sports so I think the combination really triggered it. All my other vitals are perfect my blood pressure is 110/65 HR is 60, my cholestrole is extremely good, liver is fine (no reason it wouldn't be). Should I stop gear until the LVH goes away or just stick with the 3 month pct then get back on?
Looks like kh1216 has your answer
Edit: mayo clinic definition link
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/left-ventricular-hypertrop...
LVH !!!!