posted Sun, 05/20/2012 - 09:34
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localized water retention
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I'm on fast esther cycle, but I've been pinning some test e once a week in the tricepts. Usually I would pin .7 ml, but I waspulling the last of what I had which was 1.25 ml . I decided just to finish it off. 1.5. 23 g pin, I pinned about 1.25" and it felt pretty good. Now this weekend I noticed quite a bit of water retention between my tri and my elbow. Has anybody experienced localized water retention like that before? I had a leg with some water retention before and it eventually cleared up. I don't think i numbed my elbow at all. Comments?
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Its propigating further down the arm as the day goes by, can't really make out my elbow now.
Frankieany pip?
A little, but not too bad. Then again I had a run with syntrop sus 450, so compared to that nothing is that bad lol
dbolzIf it gets the pip gets worse and it becomes red/warm to the touch i would go to the docs just to be on the safe side. Loads of nerves next to the elbow so dont risk it mate
Yea I had a run with that in my shoulder before, Doc treated me for cellulitis, its not red and warm thank goodness. I got some fish mox in case that ever happens again. I'm not encouraging anyone to do this you should go to the doc if those symptoms occur. jut what I'm gonna try if I'm so unfotunate to have that happen again. I have a bottle of the sus 450 leftover and doubt I'll risk using it for that very reason.
Frankieyou can use the z-track injection methard to avoid any oils leaking back upto the sub q tissiue :-)
Definition
Z-track injection is a method of injecting medication into a large muscle using a needle and syringe. This method seals the medication deeply within the muscle and allows no exit path back into the subcutaneous tissue and skin. This is accomplished by displacing the skin and subcutaneous tissue 1–1.5 inches (2.5–3.75 cm), laterally, prior to injection and releasing the tissue immediately after the injection.
Purpose
The Z-track method of intra-muscular (I.M.) injection is used primarily when giving dark-colored medication solutions, such as iron solutions, that can stain the subcutaneous tissue or skin. It is also the method of choice when giving I.M. medications that are very irritating to the tissue, such as haloperidol or vistaril.
Precautions
Precautions taken when giving Z-track injections are all aimed at preventing the medication from leaking into the subcutaneous tissue or skin. These precautions include:
Do not give a Z-track injection into skin that is lumpy, reddened, irritated, bruised, stained, or hardened.
Add 0.3–0.5 ml of air into the syringe after drawing up the correct dosage of medication.
Change the needle after drawing the medication into the syringe.
Select a long needle (2–3 inches; 5–7.5 cm), depending upon the size of the patient, with a 21- or 22-gauge needle to place the medication deeply within the muscle.
Give Z-track injections into a large muscle in the buttock (the gluteus medius or gluteus minimus).
Aspirate on the syringe before injecting the medication to be sure not to hit a blood vessel. If blood appears in the syringe, a vein may have been hit. Remove and discard the syringe and medication. Start over with a new syringe, fresh medication, and a new site.
Caution the patient not to wear restrictive clothing that could put constant pressure on the injection site.
Rotate the injection sites from one buttock to the other and from site to site.
Do not place injections into a disabled limb. If there is decreased circulation, the medication absorption will be affected and abscess formation can occur.
Never inject more than 5ml of medication at a time when using the Z-track method. If a larger dose is ordered, divide it and inject it into two separate sites.
Damn now that's an education. I've been doing that backwards most of the time pulling the skin after the exit. I didn't know there was a name for that either. Damn I gotta a lot to learn. Frankie if you wrote a book I would read it and I'm not even a bug book reader, more confine to short articles for this melon. Thx bro
Only place I ever had that happen was pinning my traps...
Where did the fluid sit? The bottom of the trap?
Frankiewarming the oil pre-injection really helps disperse it evenly thoughout the muscle .
Thanks frankie, yea I never warm it that should help. I can always count in you for solid information
dbolzWhat you got there is subcutaneous fluid retention from the oil sitting under your skin its not water retention. Massage it, apply warm pads on it and give it a good 15days and it should go away.
Hmm that strikes me as odd, the fact that I was an inch and a half into the muscle. So it seeped back up to the skin?
dbolzYou never know you where obviously deep enough but if you rush the pin or the oil is cold like frankie said these things can happen. You could have been just on the side of the muscle as well and not in it. You will be fine i am sure i had my fair share of those myself the most it lasts is 15days and that was when using organon sustanon
I had a similar issue recently i pinned my delt deep enough and got subcutaneous fluid between the bicep and tricep, lasted 5-6 days or so.
I had the same as you mentioned with a delt. So then if the oil backs out to sub q is it essentially wasted? Warming the oil will lessen the chances I'm sure, but if you pull the pin out too fast it could still happen? Sorry if I sound ignorant here, but physiology was a subject I never made it to. I'm a tradesman not a doc. I've been at this a while so I have a working knowledge and what I pick up here or md mag and that's it. Thanks for your insight
dbolzNot wasted at all it just takes a while to absorb and the rate is not as consistent as it is with IM. I dont think its a case of pulling out the needle too fast. Either you worked that muscle hard when it had a wound and the oil came out or it didnt go in the first place. At least thats my view on this from what happened to my delt. I pinned, waited with the plunger pushed for 20secs after I finished the shot, then worked the delt the same day and got the same result like you got there. I prefer to pin before i sleep these days, less chance for something like this to happen and you get any pip in the morning rather at night.
I think you just hit the nail on the head, that pin was before my workout and I did hit tri's, my daily fast esther is before I go to bed. This z method frankie mentioned is something I've been doing backwards excerpt for the quads, cause there right there and easy to grasp the skin. The tris can be a little cumbersome to pin alone, hell the delts and the Glutes might be tough to pull the skin too. I suppose you could letro go of the skin once its in.