+ 1 i always did learn things the hard way
first cycle at 100mg test prop eod
about a week and a half in i realized i aromatize fairly high. so i started off with 12.5 aromisin eod the bloat went down for about 9 hours and quickly came back along with super puffy and sensitive nipples, i then tried 12.5 ed same thing 9 hours back to being a water ballon. so now im up to 25mg ed split every 12 hours and finally feel about right (ive been at this dosage for one week) but face is drying out libido is way down. i am starting week four today. i am going to drop the dosage down slightly for the next week then do what i read at least 500 times in this forum... blood work. i did not do blood work before i started because i always have to learn the hard way. any other mistakes i made please let me know.
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You may want to experiment with different AI's. If you aromatize super easy you may need something strong like letro. But first I would try arimdex. Or even simpler which works best for me personally is simply Tamoxifin/Nolvadex.
i read so many confecting arguments on nolva on weather or not it is an anti-e. some say it only stops the e2 from causing gyno. others say its a great ai. what is a dosage to start with if i wanted to experiment with it?
Well, gyno is far and away the most serious side we face. I would try a half of a pill a day for 30 days and see how that goes.
edit: There are actually far more serious sides, but gyno is the one we all fear and also the one we easily notice.
at first i was worried about it but once i started to get things under control i realized it can be pervented as long as im diligent. i bought a blood pressure machine and have been keeping a close eye on how it fluctuates with different dosages of aro.
RustyhookerHalf life of aro is 9 hrs....mistake 1.
Test prop....mistake 2.
Pharma aro?
Eod as in real constant eod or the big error of eod...mon wed fri and done? Pct laid out? Bloods youre onto now snd id bet youre low e2. @IrishMack studies aro and ones brain to pick. His forum as well on aro
AnonDude really?
Always chiming in with the 'absolute advice' and always negative.
RustyhookerNo sir. Asked a legit question and referred the OP to others with great skill
constant eod (when the date is an odd number). pct is from one of you posts (simple pct layout). hcg, clomid, nolva, aro.
not pharma aromisin at first but quickly realized that was my first mistake and quickly got some from a friend. why was test prop a mistake? im not trying to start an argument, i legitimately want to know.
RustyhookerProp is hard mainly because i would hit 10 separate pin points as an advanced user. Newer folks can do cyp or enth biweekly into 4 points. More points gives less scar tissue, less worry on sterile abscesses, less pain, etc. Keeping it fun and simple. Not per se wrong but an easier route. More time to adjust ai as if needed too. Prop is fast and hard hitting. Its feet to ground running. No time for errors.
Dosing twice a day is how some folks need to do it. If bloods prove it to be so. Half life of aro and prop wont stop its natural conversion to how your body reacts. Without bloods its a full guessing game. Guessing....that you ran a BIG dose twice a day and your e2 is a bit low. Low e2 and high e2 have similarities in reaction. The difference ive noticed is high e2 and im crisco greasy forehead. Liw e2 and dry skin like i need lotion. But bloods are king.
On short esters, run bloods imo 3rd week. Shorts are fast! Some folks run mid 2nd week. Figure 48hrs per shot so peak buildup is damn quick and falls out. Some folks advised mon wed fri....so by monday no hormone left over weekend and they suffer severe peaks and valleys, acne, emotional...etc etc
Glad youre learning and testing. Knowledge bumps
should i switch to test c? i have it on hand.
edit: nevermind i answered my own question with a little research.
RustyhookerBoth are similar in ester. Hope youre doing well!
Switching from prop to cyp...nope. too late. But youre learning a lot
yes sir, aro is taken once a day @25mg for 7 days, then draw blood. From there its either 12.5 ed or stay at 25. Aromasin is a dial in drug, you cant just take it willy nilly like the other ones everyone takes. Some claim they crash their estro on aromasin, but all studies show it to be almost impossible as it kills 70% of the total e2 you have and then that's it. There were multiple studies on aromasin and men not even on cycle that never crashed taking 25mg a day for 60 days. Aromasin is a powerful anti e, as long as you dial it in.
ok ill change it to one dose a day. but just so we're clear i got splitting it up from reading your forum on aro about taking it everyday. this is what you said
"Aromasin needs to be taken every day twice a day for 7 days for it to start working by causing your blood serum to be saturated." i understood the twice a day to mean split it up am and pm
I have to update that, one of the most recent studies proved that to be half right as well as my own tests. I'm glad you were following though because it does give insight, the most important is the blood work of course. Aro is a bitch because she is high maintenance.
RustyhookerA lil high maintenance at first but its not gonna crash e2 the way adex will nor does it give rebound if you stop too early. Theres plusses and minus to both. Its definitly a learning curve for both. Especially if the user is a high converter.
I think i should create a high convertion post. Show other options should folks find by bloods that they truely are in the catagory.
RustyhookerA few of the heavy aromatizers split am pm to keep that half life steady. Typically though after bloods prove heavy conversions to e2 id advise next cycle low test base with a non or low aromatizer. But again only if bloods prove it and its a known pharma or top notch aromasin.
Fuck yeah Bro
Molinin302I'm going to be drawn out here, but I'll share something. I'm thinking others may have had similar experiences. I was raised with exercise, its a family thing. Military household, uncle with the small arms always got poked at. Anyway, was a very muscular teen, bad acne problems, and I would have bumps under my nipples. My nipples would easily leak with light squeezing. After a couple years of these issues, the dermatologist my mother took me to, yes dermatologist, they get to prescribe drugs too, wanted to lower my testosterone. I at this point in my life had any idea of what this was. But mom said no, not going to play with my hormones. Here I am in my mid 40s, hormones crushed, mostly by prescription medication for anxiety, but I'll now be on testosterone forever. Where I'm going with this, is it sounds like you're not reacting well. It may not be for you. Think about what you're doing and think about the ling term effects. Do you want to turn your body into a science project? It's your body, no one here will judge you, but is this really what you want to do? Best wishes buddy, hope you figure it out.