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+ 45 HGH Testing - THE REAL DEAL

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Note: I know this is a GH thread but it was posted here since this section gets far more hits and thus it will reach a larger number of people.

Before you continue reading
This thread IS NOT for:
1) People who think I'm writing this to promote my products. Sadly, some clowns lately who get squashed in every debate resort to this to 'defend' themselves LOL. If you have PMed me before, you know very well that I am fairly knowledgeable about GH and spend tons of time helping you in great detail, whether you are running my products or not.
2) People who can't follow simple rules like no flaming, naming sources or products that inevitably link to a certain source. The MODs have been cleaning enough of your shit this past week, no need for more.

This thread IS for:
Mature people willing to learn something new today and engage in a healthy discussion.

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And now we start...

Ho Lee Fuk! I pinned 10IUs IM 3.5 prior to blood being drawn. Results show a high GH serum level! My GH is legit!
Uhm no guys, there might be Sum Ting Wong.

Short excerpt: (https://www.google.com/patents/US5734024)
Recombinant DNA (rDNA) technology has led to the development of new protein-based drugs that are gaining worldwide regulatory approval. Human growth hormone, human insulin, β- and γ-interferons, and erythropoietin are just a few examples of approved rDNA-derived biopharmaceuticals.

The biological effects, purity, and potency of a drug is governed by the chemical structure of the drug for both traditional drugs and biopharmaceuticals. Standard analytical methodologies used for structural analysis of conventional drugs are, however, inadequate for complete characterization of protein-based products.

Two main reasons for this inadequacy are the large molecular size and conformational flexibility of protein-based drugs. The large molecular size hinders the possibility to detect, for example, replacement or chemical modification of a single amino acid residue or a change in a single glycosylation site. These alterations of the biomolecule structure, however, may lead to subtle changes of the molecule conformation resulting in significant changes in the pharmacological properties of the product.

Additionally, the wrong choice of manufacturing conditions or formulation may lead to improperly folded polypeptide chains which are biologically inactive. Hence, further methodologies capable of analysis of the protein conformation are needed.

So what does this mean?
If possible, it would be MUCH MORE expensive to determine the biological activity of GH in serum. The cheap conventional GH serum determines only the chemical concentration of the molecule. So your readings of high GH serum might be that of: non-bioactive GH, partially bioactive GH, completely bioactive GH.

What about all those mass specs EmPee!!!!!!!
The molecular weight of the studied molecule is studied and is compared to what the ideal weight of a 191aa GH molecule. If the weight is way off, it is certainly not GH. If weight is very close, it could be real GH (experimental errors exist) or it could be that 1 amino acid is replace in the chain, we still cannot know. Plus, molecular weight does not reveal anything about the shape of the polypeptide and how it is folded. Which means, mass spec will not reveal if the polypeptide is bioactive or not.

So the GH serum is completely useless???
Well not necessarily. If you get an in-range or low value, then you can be sure from the start that you have a bunk product.

How do I test then???
Real GH binds to receptors in the liver cells and this results in production of IGF-1. Continuous administration of Exogenous GH will gradually increase IGF-1 levels over time until they quasi-stabilize. This takes few weeks to achieve. Your best bet is to get an IGF-1 test few weeks into your GH cycle. It is better to have had your bloods drawn before starting your product so that you know what your baseline IGF-1 level are (thank you KK9111). Some speculate that the product might contain some form of IGF-1 in addition to non-bioactive GH. One good way would be to get the IGF-1 test few days after the last shot of the product being tested. IGF-1 levels do not drop suddenly so this should be a safe approach.

Unfortunately, it is quite annoying to have to wait several weeks and shell out all those dollars to end up discovering you have been pinning something bunk. But, there is no other way. Unless someone else tries a certain product and goes through this process before you buying it.

My IGF-1 test showed bad results but GH serum was high and I have been getting the sides of GH! How is the GH non-bioactive if I have been getting GH sides?!
First of all, please do not call them GH sides because you most probably have never run real GH. Real GH is very smooth and side-free if you run normal dosages and ramp up as you should. For those who don't, some GH sides might include water retention, some sleepiness. These can simply be imitated by the use of other peptides such as DSIP (Delta sleep-inducing peptide) and ADH (anti-diuretic hormone).

Fuck you Em, what do I buy now!!!
Your safest, but naturally most expensive option, would be Pharma Grade GH. This is the only way you know you have real GH and do not have to bother testing anything. Well unless your source sucks and sells counterfeited pharma.

Second safest option would be to buy a generic that is tested thoroughly by multiple legit members (not clowns who receive free kits and fondle Chinese nuts) using the testing method described above. This is not 100% safe of course because we all know that throughout the years some generics were testing very good and one day they turn into shit. But it is safer than buying a generic randomly. Try to get the same batch tested by someone you trust.

So some generics do work!!
Every now and then, a good generic pops up yes. If you're willing to gamble, go for it. But considering the multi-million dollar equipment needed to manufacture 100% Real GH, I assure you this generic considering its price, is not 100% bioactive GH. It will work but not as good as pharma. And you never know the day when it will turn into shit.

Few last words. Legit pharma GH gives a reading of around 20-35 following the 10IU protocol. Some products such as Rips have given 50+. Since every sane person knows that pharma is better than Rips, this should be a good indicator to you of some shady practices. Another thing, if there are two legit GH products, X gives a reading of 30, Y a reading of 25, this does NOT mean that X is better than Y!

Golden quote by j223:

I've seen serostim and Jintropin give GH serum between 15-28 and those are some of the best GH you can buy. Also something that tests as 13 for one person might be 30 for another guy. So we need to focus a lot of our thoughts on personal experiences!!

That's it for today folks. If any reputable knowledgeable member thinks that a piece of information should be added to this thread, please let me know and I'll consider editing.

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MONSTAR: So....are you saying rips are bad? If not.....well ok what are you saying....im interested

I did not indicate whether they are bad or good. If they pass the HGH Serum + IGF-1 Test, they should be good. When I mentioned Rips, I was referring to a trend I have noticed for a while now. All pharma GH used in studies average between 20-35 on GH serum with the 10IU IM Protocol. How come RIPS (regardless of whether they are good or bad) score 40, 50, and 60? Doesn't this sound a little odd? That was my point only. Thanks for chiming in my man.

j223: Well my yellow Hyges must be real then because I don't have any sides. At 5iu per day. I started at 3.33iu for 3 days, then immediately jumped to 5iu's per day which is what I'm doing every day and have been experiencing no bad sides. The first couple days I took a nap an hour after the shot, but now I do not feel tired or anything.

I never said the sides were the way to judge if GH is real or not. You said you agreed to the post several pages back, so I assume you know that HGH serum followed by IGF-1 is the way to assess your hyges, not sides...
I would also like to thank you, because our continuous debate on these boards pushed me to research more on this matter and write this thread. So thanks buddy.

@snuka2012 & icepirate

Thanks for adding some maturity to this thread. Reminds me that the time I have spent writing this thread is worth it.

@Illiterates who consider half a sentence and pretend they're smart.
I never said GH is side-free. I CLEARLY said side-free if you run normal dosages and ramp up as you should. So get your facts straight, and troll somewhere else please.

Noviceaas: So then here the question, if your blood syrum is high on Growth Syrum and IGF but you are running chinese, then what exactly is happening inside your body if its not real HGH ?

It seems my last point about generics was not clear enough. My apologies. When I said "I assure you this generic considering its price, is not 100% bioactive GH", I mean that either one portion of the GH present is real/bioactive and the other isn't, OR it is all real/bioactive but underdosed. I hope this clears it up champ.

Also, I appreciate you trying to keep things civil in here. Thanks.

@waltr
It is hard to throw in a magical number of weeks. But to be safe, 3+ weeks should be a good time. IGF-1 will start raising from the first few days, but it might be hard to catch that on bloods since there are fluctuations in IGF-1 and it might be hard to judge if the GH did its thing or not. Those fluctuations, relative to the jump in IGF-1 levels that you should see 3+ weeks in, would be negligible.

Let us know how the experiment turns out.

@XvBeast
I know that pharma is faked as well, I don't understand why you insisted on that when I explicitly mentioned it. "Well unless your source sucks and sells counterfeited pharma."

As for the pricing discussion, with all due respect brother, you have no idea about it. If you walked in into a pharmacy anywhere in my region, you would get 100IUs for less than 1k, which in your opinion isn't pharma. Also a member told you he bought 120IUs for 900 off these boards. So to sum it up, your pricing is WAY off. If you have certain sources in mind who sell pharma at steep prices, it does not mean the others who sell at low prices are definitely fake. Shop smarter.

Also brother, considering that the amount of time one should run GH to FULLY realize what it's capable of, I think at your age you still did not have enough time to experience different GH. A few months of that and a few months of another does not qualify you to speak of quality. Not to mention the stacks of AAS you use year round.

But, I want to thank you for chiming in and discussing this in a civilized manner. I don't want everyone here to agree with me or else there won't be any debate. But I want a healthy debate, not flaming, so thanks again.

Gorillafit: I'm so proud of you! You are willing to fuck with alittle girls health so you can get a tiny bit bigger! What a fucking human being!

Thank you for being the biggest flamer by far on this thread. Next time if you have an issue with his personal life, which you have no business interfering with, please FR him and take it to PMs. My thread is not the place for that. Also you missed the first part of my thread which says "This thread IS NOT for: People who think I'm writing this to promote my products". You have been flaming and wrote this at least 3 times replying to random people. So thank you again for being illiterate and a troll/flamer. If you still have a tiny bit of dignity in you, please leave this thread. At least as a sign of respect for the "EXP" tag you're holding.

@KK9111
Thanks for chiming in brother. Your input is always appreciated. I have forgotten to include the baseline IGF-1 point, but I will do so now. Let us know how your experiment goes. Thanks again.

@Muta, nyjuice, pank, and whomever I missed
Thank you for chiming in brothers and I greatly appreciate your input!

Sumatra_Triangle's picture

Thanks man!
Well written and easy to understand.
I have talked HGH almost everyday this week, and this article proves I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

EmPee's picture

No one knows everything brother! Posts like these induce healthy debate which even brings more knowledge to all of us! But as usual this can't be done without some trolls and flamers.. sad but this is the internet.

Gorillafit's picture

Name names, call me out.

If it was directed at you I'd say it in your face no need to hide or lie

Who else are you talking about?

You have never once directly refuted any of my facts! You play games and hope people won't notice! I am glad I forced you to finally actually do some research.

Step up!

EmPee's picture

MONSTAR: So....are you saying rips are bad? If not.....well ok what are you saying....im interested

I did not indicate whether they are bad or good. If they pass the HGH Serum + IGF-1 Test, they should be good. When I mentioned Rips, I was referring to a trend I have noticed for a while now. All pharma GH used in studies average between 20-35 on GH serum with the 10IU IM Protocol. How come RIPS (regardless of whether they are good or bad) score 40, 50, and 60? Doesn't this sound a little odd? That was my point only. Thanks for chiming in my man.

j223: Well my yellow Hyges must be real then because I don't have any sides. At 5iu per day. I started at 3.33iu for 3 days, then immediately jumped to 5iu's per day which is what I'm doing every day and have been experiencing no bad sides. The first couple days I took a nap an hour after the shot, but now I do not feel tired or anything.

I never said the sides were the way to judge if GH is real or not. You said you agreed to the post several pages back, so I assume you know that HGH serum followed by IGF-1 is the way to assess your hyges, not sides...
I would also like to thank you, because our continuous debate on these boards pushed me to research more on this matter and write this thread. So thanks buddy.

@snuka2012 & icepirate

Thanks for adding some maturity to this thread. Reminds me that the time I have spent writing this thread is worth it.

@Illiterates who consider half a sentence and pretend they're smart.
I never said GH is side-free. I CLEARLY said **side-free if you run normal dosages and ramp up as you should.
So get your facts straight, and troll somewhere else please.

Noviceaas: So then here the question, if your blood syrum is high on Growth Syrum and IGF but you are running chinese, then what exactly is happening inside your body if its not real HGH ?

It seems my last point about generics was not clear enough. My apologies. When I said "I assure you this generic considering its price, is not 100% bioactive GH", I mean that either one portion of the GH present is real/bioactive and the other isn't, OR it is all real/bioactive but underdosed. I hope this clears it up champ.

Also, I appreciate you trying to keep things civil in here. Thanks.

@waltr
It is hard to throw in a magical number of weeks. But to be safe, 3+ weeks should be a good time. IGF-1 will start raising from the first few days, but it might be hard to catch that on bloods since there are fluctuations in IGF-1 and it might be hard to judge if the GH did its thing or not. Those fluctuations, relative to the jump in IGF-1 levels that you should see 3+ weeks in, would be negligible.

Let us know how the experiment turns out.

@XvBeast
I know that pharma is faked as well, I don't understand why you insisted on that when I explicitly mentioned it. "Well unless your source sucks and sells counterfeited pharma."

As for the pricing discussion, with all due respect brother, you have no idea about it. If you walked in into a pharmacy anywhere in my region, you would get 100IUs for less than 1k, which in your opinion isn't pharma. Also a member told you he bought 120IUs for 900 off these boards. So to sum it up, your pricing is WAY off. If you have certain sources in mind who sell pharma at steep prices, it does not mean the others who sell at low prices are definitely fake. Shop smarter.

Also brother, considering that the amount of time one should run GH to FULLY realize what it's capable of, I think at your age you still did not have enough time to experience different GH. A few months of that and a few months of another does not qualify you to speak of quality. Not to mention the stacks of AAS you use year round.

But, I want to thank you for chiming in and discussing this in a civilized manner. I don't want everyone here to agree with me or else there won't be any debate. But I want a healthy debate, not flaming, so thanks again.

Gorillafit: I'm so proud of you! You are willing to fuck with alittle girls health so you can get a tiny bit bigger! What a fucking human being!

Thank you for being the biggest flamer by far on this thread. Next time if you have an issue with his personal life, which you have no business interfering with, please FR him and take it to PMs. My thread is not the place for that. Also you missed the first part of my thread which says "This thread IS NOT for: People who think I'm writing this to promote my products". You have been flaming and wrote this at least 3 times replying to random people. So thank you again for being illiterate and a troll/flamer. If you still have a tiny bit of dignity in you, please leave this thread. At least as a sign of respect for the "EXP" tag you're holding.

@KK9111
Thanks for chiming in brother. Your input is always appreciated. I have forgotten to include the baseline IGF-1 point, but I will do so now. Let us know how your experiment goes. Thanks again.

@Muta, nyjuice, pank, and whomever I missed
Thank you for chiming in brothers and I greatly appreciate your input!

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I never said the sides were the way to judge if GH is real or not. You said you agreed to the post several pages back, so I assume you know that HGH serum followed by IGF-1 is the way to assess your hyges, not sides...
I would also like to thank you, because our continuous debate on these boards pushed me to research more on this matter and write this thread. So thanks buddy.

Yeah I was just mentioning I have had zero sides. If my input is worth anything. I know other Chinese HGH such as RIPS or blue tops are notorious for side effects carpel tunnel, bloating/water retention, lethargy etc.. I was just stating what I experienced so far. I'd like to get an IGF test soon maybe in 2 months to see where I stand with these hyges.

I'm glad you appreciate 'our continuous debate' from other forums. I hope you don't take my arguments as me being defensive or involving emotions. Because I admit I got a little snippy the other day BUT I did not let it take away from our healthy discussion. I do my best to keep arguments on topic by bringing in information and going off of that. It's only when the person I'm arguing goes off topic and brings up some B.S. to try and win the argument that gets annoying. That being said overall I enjoy our discussions and please know that ALL of my arguments/debates are friendly and meant for information purposes. It's how I learn and often times the person I'm arguing with learns as well whether they looked up something then proved me wrong, OR they learned from my points.
What I'm trying to say is I hope you interpret my claims, statements and disagreements as friendly and strictly information based. I hate when emotion gets into arguments. In fact I'm practically a child compared to some of the people in this thread. Some members even old enough to be my grandfather. And when I see some of the responses in this thread it kind of upsets me how immature people are even if they are 2-3x my age!!! I don't want this thread to be a battle and end up getting locked by the mods because there is a lot of good information from BOTH sides of the arguments.

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Yeah I was just mentioning I have had zero sides.

The less sides, the better right! As long as the positive effects are there of course.

I'd like to get an IGF test soon maybe in 2 months to see where I stand with these hyges.

Last IGF test I have seen on Hyges was pretty good. Hope yours turn out good as well. Sucks to be wasting money.

Everyone gets heated up during arguments. But what matters is not to lose it, stay on topic, remember why we are debating. The point is to learn, learn, and learn some more. In our last argument, you told me the difference in potency might be in the way "the molecule was manufactured". I rushed and said no way, that is irrelevant. But here I am posting today proving myself wrong. Which means the debate was fruitful indeed, and I thank you once again for that. Pretty hard to have healthy debates on the internet, especially with trolls around.

Some members even old enough to be my grandfather. And when I see some of the responses in this thread it kind of upsets me how immature people are even if they are 3x my age!!!

It is very sad and pathetic. I know.

I don't want this thread to be a battle and end up getting locked by the mods because there is a lot of good information from BOTH sides of the arguments.

Let's hope so brother. It is the first time I sacrifice my time to put a nice thread that I thought would result in healthy debate and knowledge for all. Too bad, there are immature flamers who are willing to ruin a good thing for all of us. I just hope the MODs get rid of the weed instead of locking the whole thing up.

Peace and love my good man.

Gorillafit's picture

If it was directed at you I'd say it in your face no need to hide or lie

Once again, call me the fuck out on any statement sor continue to look like the self indulgent (expletive deleted), you are! If you need me to explain that, let me know, or just look in a mirror!

Gorillafit's picture

Your SRC tag does not exclude me or anyone else from commenting on this thread regardless of your:

"This thread IS NOT for: People who think I'm writing this to promote my products"

As far as Flamer: YOU stand tall and prove anything I said is wrong!

As Far as NYJUICE: someone taking advantage of a little girls deficiencies and her fathers dependencies to save money on his HGH purchases is a JERKOFF any way you look at it. If your willing to back him on that indiscretion your no better.

"YOUR thread" is an advertisement and nothing more.

Once again FLAMING???? Nothing but proof on almost anything I say. Except some of the derogatory terms which I have no real way to prove at this point. But the evidence is pretty defining! Random people posted random shit and I responded accurately.

FUCKING ILLITERATE???? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

My dignity is what forces me to rebut your consistent non evidentuary sales pitch!

My EXP tag forces me as a member of this site to give accurate information and help anyone who wants information assess information instead of being swayed by a SRC sale men!

Step Up! Refute any of my rebuttals! Fucking Illiterate! Get a fucking better dictionary, you have no idea!

covertmind's picture

What the fuck are you talking about, who's a drug addict. Where do you come up with this, maybe you have the problem for you to even make an accusation like this. You suffer from what I call little dick syndrome. Your so off its not even funny, you have made an ass out of yourself, everyone has a hidden agenda, were all in cahoots and you know everything. Was this the information you learned from bigpoppa. Till you know the complete facts of the situation your accusations are making you look more and more stupid. By the way, I'm in the hamptons eating sushi, and I'll be pinning my serostim in the morning. Bitch don't kill my vibe

Gorillafit's picture

How did you get hat bottom part in after I responded?
The Hamptons are for little dicks that can't afford to get off the island.
2 weeks ago I was eating Sushi in Japan ass wipe. Dick swinging contest? You ain't built for it!

covertmind's picture

With who papaswole

Gorillafit's picture

With whoever you want to swing your dick with!

covertmind's picture

Was thinking papswole

Gorillafit's picture

The go ahead and swing your dick with papaswole, your probably on equal ground! Have at it, cross swords if you'd like. But dispute what I say or continue to simply look like a little dick who thinks their ego is more important than a little girls growth. At the same time enabling her drug addicted father! No matter how you slice it, it's wrong!

covertmind's picture

Bitch don't kill my vibe

Gorillafit's picture

Your really good with the cut and paste "don't kill my vibe" so much so that someone decided to +1 you for it! Fucking amazing! You've responded with that I'm an idiot with no actual comment what 3-4 times now?
What a fucking scholar!

covertmind's picture

PapaSwoleeee

Gorillafit's picture

Wasting your time! I am so over that loss.
You might as well have said nanny nanny boo boo! Its more your level

Hopefully your wife, girlfriend, or hooker(Date) you went to dinner with is not so disappointed in your abilities as I am! especially spending so much time with me instead of her. Or was it a single? LOL ;-P

Gorillafit's picture

I know enough from your posts to say you are Fucking over a little girl who needs that fucking Pharma HGH to be fucking NORMAL just so you can be a TEENY WEENY bit better! You dick! You are the one who said till you kick you don't know, in reference to why her father was selling his little girls HGH to you ass wipe! YOu shouldn't worry about the size of my dick you got other shit to worry about! But so you know Medium and Fat. approx. 6x6 dependent on arousal! Bigpoppa is that your pimp? Or are you talking about papaswole? The skinny shit who tricked me and a few others here out of coaching money!
Redirecting is a favorite tactic of people like you. Speak on the topic or don't speak. Yea, I look stupid! You and empee have not responded to anything with facts just redirect. Get a fucking life and let little girls grow like they should!

covertmind's picture

Bitch don't kill my vibe

Gorillafit's picture

Grab another vicodin you'll be ok Dick!

covertmind's picture

In the hamptons little guy, having a glass of wine..
Bitch don't kill my vibe

Gorillafit's picture

Like I said, but your too fucking illiterate to read. The Hamptons are for bitches that can't get off the island! And if I was having Sushi and some nice wine, I sure as fuck wouldn't be bothering with your punk ass. But I'm just having a couple beers so I got time!

EmPee's picture

your too fucking illiterate

It's *you're. Oh the irony.

Gorillafit's picture

OOPS, you missed the other quote". HA, HA, HA, that's the best you could do out of all my posts! Amazing! Keep looking, you may find an out of place apostrophe. You know what an apostrophe is and what it's used for, don't you?

BTW, there should be a comma after Oh,!
Be careful what you dive into. I think your grammatical pool is empty?

And now that I read it again, it was posessive not not descriptive! Your in way over your head!
Spelling aside.

EmPee's picture

Your in way over your head!

It's *you're.

Gorillafit's picture

No, it's "your", possessive! You're is the conjugate of, "You are"!
Again, "WAY THE FUCK OVER YOUR HEAD!", (Possesive, "your head", not "You are" head")
Get a fucking clue. How many times do I have to school you on grammar, HGH, salesmanship, reality....?
Let your product speak for itself and stop posting bullshit you can't back up. It makes you look totally incompetent! Pharma is good, we all know that!
EDIT: I believe he may have been talking about the first Your, which is correct. It should have read
"You're way over your head!" Sorry!
In my own defense, both are technically acceptable due to grammatical inconsistencies over the years.

EmPee's picture

Gorillafit's picture

Once again get a better dictionary. Honesty and reality is not trolling! Dispute anything I've said with fact! You can't! Who's the troll?

EmPee's picture

You.

Gorillafit's picture

Prove anything I said is inaccurate! You are the fucking Troll, posting bullshit and trolling for sales. I hope my contributions here and anyone that takes the time to read this trash can decipher who the troll is!

ReadyToKillIt's picture

So it seems that a lot of people hypothesize that some of the bunk generics end up actually being 192aa. Is this true? Can someone school me on 192aa? What's the diff, what's it do, is it harmful?

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EmPee's picture

This thread proved to me that some are extremely illiterate. Too bad my "This thread IS NOT for" did not work and those people were arrogant enough to come to my thread and start shit.

For the rest that engaged in a healthy debate, thanks for stopping by because this is what this thread is all about. I will edit the original post by adding to the bottom some comments, because I do not want to reply to every single post on the 5 pages, especially with so many trolls around.

Gorillafit's picture

Yea, I think some people missed the "don't post facts portion", or "don't debate anything I didn't google!"
Here, let me stop your consistent bashing of anything but Pharma that you just happen to sell.
Pharma HGH from a reputable source which still should be tested due to the potential profit margin in counterfeit Pharma Grade HGH is Good!
Where it me, I would buy my Pharma HGH if I were so inclined from a source that didn't try to SELL it so vigorously!

youngtricep98's picture

Did anybody read the study I posted about Igf levels and growth serum?! Lol a lot of questions and theories can be answered there.

youngtricep98's picture

http://m.jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/2/601.full

Paying for pharma gh is like paying for pharma test. The "mind at ease" factor that your getting real product.

Gorillafit's picture

Hi Bro, don't be confused 20k HGH is a naturally occurring HGH not the same as normal 191AA RDNA, but has been synthesized also. It is missing 32-46 of the 22k HGH string. But I like that study which also shows Exogenous HGH suppressing Endogenous in a dose dependent nature. I would have liked to see more participants!

EmPee's picture

Refer to above brother

Gorillafit's picture

He is saying Pharma HGH is the only way to know you are getting "Real HGH". Pharma counterfeits not withstanding, are the only way for you to know you are getting "Real HGH"!

Gorillafit's picture

Because he sells Pharma!

j223's picture

Real GH is very smooth and side-free if you run normal dosages and ramp up as you should. For those who don't, some GH sides might include water retention, some sleepiness.

Well my yellow Hyges must be real then because I don't have any sides. At 5iu per day. I started at 3.33iu for 3 days, then immediately jumped to 5iu's per day which is what I'm doing every day and have been experiencing no bad sides. The first couple days I took a nap an hour after the shot, but now I do not feel tired or anything.

Gorillafit's picture

Yea, I been hitting 10iu of Blue tops that tested at about 17 serum, just 2 points under Serostim I tested, and I have no additional sides. But then again this ain't my first Rodeo either!

snuka2012's picture

A nice post that looks to be a platform for level headed discussion. It'd be great just to squash the tangential stuff that's getting personal and not have irrelevancies that detract from having a cogent, lucid conversation. Instead of shit throwing, sometimes folks just want to take in different perspectives just for the sake of making future, informed choices.

Gorillafit's picture

It's called debate! You explain your conclusions while others try to counter with theirs!

snuka2012's picture

I didn't mention any names in particular...just making a general point. A debate based on the merits of the points, that's some good food for thought...a spirited debate even more interesting. When things start to get into ad-hominem territory...well I'm not so sure if that's as useful. Anyway, back to topic.