+ 1 educate dont hate!
brothers, brothers, brothers...i just spend the better part of an hour watching logans post on tren develop. it got really heated and just wanted to remind everyone that hating on someone isnt going to get them to listen and learn. only a full explanation of why or why not/how or how not something should be run will get your point across. hateful words are not going to teach anyone anything. everyone here comes to eroids to learn or share knowledge in some way, shape or form. when you are giving your knowledge separate your personal opinions in the matter and state the facts. by doing this we can avoid all of this pointless chatter and keep the learning going. you can agree or not agree with my statements, give me a big fuck you, i dont care....im saying this because iv always seen eroids in a positive light and dont want there to be any negative stigmas associated with it
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Happens everytime we talk "safety and responsibility". There is always some youngster who chimes in on how somehow they are the exception...cuz that's what youngsters do!
Bravo!!! They will learn the hard way. I just don't want them taking any innocent members down with them. +1
Not with vets on watch ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duMdVGXuwX4 one of those guys are like this
aylmejorthank you sooo much
funny shit
Lol! That's about all I can say. It's always amusing when guys wanna meet up and fight from an Internet dispute. L-O-fuckin -L!!!
this whole fiasco has been amusing...i dont understand it, i guess i never will
How computer arguments start;
Hey fuck you.
Hey! Fuck you!
Hey....fuck you
Three completely different messages. Simply mistaken because typewritten cant suggest tone or body language. We're dudes...we're gonna argue. Shit happens...move along. Tomorrows a new day.
This was a great post. I came on here knowing nothing and have learned a great deal. I think a thing of great importance that people should remember when giving advice is not to just tell the how, explain the why. It goes a long way in the learning process. Its one of the things that I really appreciated when talking to tread. This helped me a great deal in understanding the reasons the advice was being given. I see alot of people on here give advice without giving somebody the why behind it. If you think about it that does not really make alot of sense. Being condascending and talking down to someone will never result in a true learning experience. I look at some of the posts below and wonder if they understood the meaning behind the post that they were responding to. Defending what whas said in the other post was pointless in response to what levelup had to say. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
I couldn't agree more with this post. Everyone was up in arms over an individual sharing his experience. I understand becoming angry over poor advice, but this is a community based on the idea of spreading knowledge obtained through research and experiences. I understand this individual went against the grain, but I personally appreciate that he would risk the backlash and share an experience of his inconsistent with the norm. There was way too much aggression in that post. Now that supernova is banned, nobody comes on here with for the purpose of arguing. Let's educate and share our knowledge and experiences, not hate. This isn't a competition
It seems this post of mine restarted exactly what I was condemning... I think the open flow of knowledge is essential to this site. I cherish the advice given by those more experienced than myself. I also appreciate hearing the experiences of others who took an alternative route. I believe as long as advice that is generally accepted as being dangerous is not being given, anyone who has knowledge or experience worth sharing should do so. We are all adults and should be able to make educated and informed decisions based upon the information we find here and elsewhere. On the other hand, incorrect advice or advice to young individuals should not be tolerated at all. No one is fighting anyone or any of that bull, so let's no hinder what we are all here to do - learn and GROW
He did not go against the grain, he is not a person who is blazing trails for the next frontier. He is doing everything modern science says not to do. He is a scam a joker in the deck and in 20 years will find out how bad he fucked his body up. I just don't want him to take any of you down with him.
Your posts in here are exactly what the original post was talking about. Educate not hate. What is this? You continue to talk shit to someone half your age, what do you expect in return. Like you said you have a family and whatnot. Your condescending and confrontational attitude makes it appear as if you are no older or better than him. I know if I was 21 years old, the way you've been acting towards this one person would turn me off to anything and everything you've said. Just some food for thought.
Some food for thought. You do the dishes! :-)
I cook my girl does the dishes lol
And I do appreciate the concern you and many other members have for the younger crowd. Seriously, thanks to all of the 'vets' that answer questions, help out in PMs, etc
Welcome to eroids! We have a very broad group of people from complete noobs to old farts older than me. We are human and all have opinions. Would I recommend tren to a noob? Hell no. Did I personally wait for 10 cycles? Heck no, I was a strength athlete and no way in hell would I not use tren. Did I research the hell outta of the compound? yes! Did I eventually make and educated decision as a grown man? yes. Do I regret it? Nope in fact I don't compete anymore and am running tren now. The compound is absolutely amazing for ME. Do I have sides? Uh of course but nothing that I wasnt prepared for. No matter the compound(s) people will make a decision and somebody won't agree. Do you feel you researched the products to the fullest, made a sound judgement and can handle the consequences if something doesnt go as planned? Yes? good go forth and good luck.
cdaddy7Fast is correct it is the decisions that we make today that decide our future and longevity in this...Just loosely sticking a needle in your as and hoping for the best always ends up in a post crying for help bc they boarded the CF Train...There is a science and method to our madness...We are given the DNA genetics blessed or not...you have a full potential that you can reach with gear, BUT you have to consider all the other parts...DIET, training, your bloodwork baseline...You have to learn about your body and the compounds you put in them...the days of just taking this and that are over because with this day and age we see a new horizon in which we can do so much more to safely run and optimize our cycles...Just think of the options from lets say 1980's to now...Science and compound discoveries have changed everything...Now us vets have seen a lot of shit in our time and we have fucked up a ton too...When we give advice its because we care not because we are holding you back like Anakin Skywalker thought Obi Won was LOL!!! We do not want you guys to ruin your youth by hypogonadism and infertility and gynocomastia and even prostate problems that require a TURP...you can ruin yourselves by introducing unnecessary compounds for your cycle experience...I can assure you that using Tren immaturely cycle wise is a huge mistake bc half of the guys that I know currently using it in my gym have no idea what caber, an AI, or what a proper PCT is...I have advised against it and I have watched several of the end up messed up for life...Vets are not on here for a fun pissing contest we actually look at you young guys as our own kids or family members in the sense...My goal is to help one person a day to not make the same mistake that I made and learn the right way and I consider my job done well...
+1 I told you I am tired of typing so nothing else said just +1 because you are always right.
You said it all! Hey youngins....here was the late 80's//early 90's.....you could easily get pharmacy anything but cycle advice from the gym know it all 'heres deca all by itself for $25 and this handfull of clomid or nolva $25. Just one shot a week 2cc and eat one nolva a day'. Read that again if the flaws dont jump out at ya....
Now wr can cyber help and do it much better.
cdaddy7What a difference it would have been if we had access to a place like this back in the day, but of course the science wasn't quite there yet...It is now for sure
Definitly!! If it was better then makes me wonder how many trt at 30's we'd have? Tons less i bet!
cdaddy7I'm sure of it bro in the medical standpoint of it definitely
What some of us need to remember is we could possibly be dealing with a young buck who has been told the entire time that (tren,mast,dnp harsher compounds etc.) is okay to run. so they believe its okay. now throw in a veteran giving him advice and them having to hear they were wrong before..can be hard to swallow. keep a level head. the vets care about us. they coulda simply said "fuck you ignorant rookie, have fun messing up your body!" but they dont. appreciate the vets here literally changing lives by offering correct advice.
Point blank here's what i gathered from every person on that post. Listen close young guns because it's very true!
When you go to the gym...any gym...how many huge old farts like us do you see? The washout rate puts me into that 1%er group. We simply don't wanna see the youngins mess up their bodies knowing tjat factually the washout rate. Be safe because we care.
+1 because we care.AND that is why I posted
If we got 5cents for every screen punch.......Cancun bro and it'd be off the hook!
cdaddy7Tell em fast!!! we old farts just want them to make their make in the positive way bro!!! LOL
im gunna have to +1 on that because i honestly didnt realize that, maybe i was so focused in the gym i didnt see but now that u mention it..ive seen a lot of older lifters come and go.
I started formally lifting every day at 13. Decades later its just part of who i am....so i won't stop. All natty til 28....had a thick base n blastoff. I think older lifters will be making a comeback with trt/hrt therapy. Time will tell....
I think you are correct. I done a few amateur shows years back then switched to strongman. Now I lift because I lift. I turn 40 in a couple years and if I can get more size in then next couple years I am debating getting back on stage. That said I am an TRT patient.
High five! Doing so long its simply a part of you. Im going back onstage next summer. See if i still got it
Man I just wrote out a nice response and didn't hold back on how I really feel about all that shit that went down I that thread. Then I deleted it! Smh. So many things wrong with that, on BOTH ends
im off to the gym...maybe with all this built up energy you other bros should too
Wakkin off works wonders. Lol!
post workout cool down...lol
I'd high five ya but......still on post workout cool down. Lmao!
i agree with level up. How ever the fires of hell will not stop me if theres a young know it all being disrespectful to those trying to help him. damn twinks.
absolutely...but old bros know better...im sure its frustrating to them but we can do a better job getting our points across without the emotional conflicts
Cant stress enough how important it is to research. as stated above logan who is a VETERAN to the game has done multiple compounds, and is still uneasy about trying tren. you see the young bucks on here who hopped on the tren train and look great..but imagine what they could have achieved by being patient and figuring out how their body worked with something else.
this is how brambo should have been approached and we could have gone on from there positive light instead of negative. would give you a +1 if i could
I'll leave this open but if this turns into another thread like the one ur talking about I'm trigger happy. Points will be lost in bunches.
im not trying to incite an argument....if you feel it will go ahead and close it for comments. im just trying to get a point across that i think is beneficial but certainly not trying to start a fiasco