posted Sat, 12/14/2013 - 06:35
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+ 3 Best broscience you've read and heard about AAS/diet/training
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I could do with a laugh. Title is self explanatory, purely for shits and giggles. I've heard/read some terrible cases of broscience over my few years of researching. The funniest would have to be a chap that said "eat plenty of bananas, you never see a gorilla with a small chest do you!".
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RustyhookerI cycle protein if that makes sence. 2g on cycle and 1-1.5 off. Over 2g for me and my sweat is pure ammonia which in turn harms your kidneys. Im not hard cut guy for sure but carbs keeps mass easier. Protein sparing energy. My problem is hatred of the stairs. Lol!
Yea I understand that. I do it something like that day to day...almost like carb cycling.
And see that's exactly why I cut the protein down...every time I got bloods, I got scared about my kidney function. Family genetics too play a part with kidney scares.
Hatred of the stairs...lol
RustyhookerYou're big and lean. Proof in the puddin!! Or protein dosing of yours.
Mmmm....puddin ;-)
Only puddin worth eating is panty pudding! Its low cal and makes hair grow on your chest!
RustyhookerIf she dispenses puddin then flip her over!
Lol I wasnt talking about the chocolate kind!
RustyhookerBuuuuuurrrrrnnnnn!
Lmao! Have great weekend!
Lol! Your should chrange your name to dirty ole hooker. Have a good one bro!
RustyhookerIve got eq hunger startin up and you mention pudding. Oh damn!
Im glad the food issues are being discussed. Guys gotta match food to goals. And DBG is definitly someone to pick brains with. He runs foods that kerp him solud 225. So, as everyones is different its eady enough to modify any diet to your body needs.
If thats for me I simply stated that the old food pyramid is garbage. And it is. As far as not needing large amounts of protein, how much do you think one needs to grow? Thats probly a better debate for the pros since Im only around 220 lbs. I cant help it, smh. Thats like saying water isnt wet. Huh??
You didn't spark my remarks dude. I just like talking about this one and felt I would begin a debate
I misunderstood you anyway. My bad. I see what you meant is the really large amounts like 400 + grams. I cant argue with you there, but I know some of the really big dudes here swear by it. I cant train my stomach to get much over 300!
Yea see...exactly. we are on the same page. I know me personally, I have problems digesting anything over 300g myself even on gear...IDK its just what I feel. I don't really care about getting huge anyway...I have different goals...we all do, so that is a factor too. I lift for strength and try to stay more cut at the same time. I do more powerlifting than anything, but I diet well
Apparantly 120g is enough for these folks
http://m.ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172
Lol, my eyes crossed readin all that! They didnt exercise or lift. I stopped trying to figure out how much muscle mass they gained on that 120g.
Im pretty new to aa's, but not to training and growing. Without aa's I know the body will react to stimulus by growing a bit no matter what, but will quickly level out and stagnate if nutrtion isnt the priority. I doubt aa's change that or everybody would inject 600mg a week and get big without training.
In the study theyre 18-35. How many were under 25? What was their training like before? Their diet? Too many guys who have gotten huge say eat more protein. Would you spend a thousand on gear and keep your protein intake to 120g? Not me brother!!
Im not saying the study is bunk, but it wouldnt be the first such. And Im just not buying that their can be any real muscle growth without training and at least 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight.
I'll agree that there are a lot of variables that were left out of the study like you mentioned. Lets' not forget that GnRH injections played a role in this also. I see where you are coming from with guys like us who try and consume large amounts of protein while pushing our bodies to the limit. We will require more of each to grow. I don't feel that anything you stated was ignorant. It's just that we may be comparing apples to oranges.
Although I agree that a lot of studies can be bunk and, especially those which are backed by supplement companies, this one is
not one of them, however, I find it almost impossible to NOT greatly surpass 120g of protein per day when eating 3000+ calories per day.
Also, with all due respect, the comment of yours' I quoted is just pure ignorance.
RustyhookerPeople need to match their foods to their goals. If you get huge on lesd than a gram per pound then so be it. Im under 5-4 with small bone structure. Bone/height BS charts claim im to never be over 115lbs or im morbidly obese. Yet, i run 350+ g protein on cycle. My heaviest was 205 @ 10%. Personally, i keep my protein up or i doNT get that thick. Carbs are "protein sparing" and IMO where the magic begins.
Fully agree. All I was getting at was it is actually possible to gain lbm on that low of an amount of protein. Now is it optimal? too many variables to begin pondering that.
RustyhookerAgree! If diet was easy we'd all have our dream build.
Youre certainly entitled to your opinion but I think its quite a reach to call my statement ignorant. I dont believe "you" can have real muscle mass gains without training and without at least a gram per lb of protein is an ignorant statement? I think the guys who have decades invested and who compete and have seen and tried everything to gain a few ounces of musclewould back me on that statement. I think most would call it conservative.
Easy buddy, I wasn't callin you ignorant, just your statement. Perhaps that word comes off harsh to people. How about unfounded? If you had have said "it can't be done due to x, y & z" then that's different.
I agree that 120g is conservative but there is factual evidence that shows lbm can certainly be gained on that amount. I wouldnt eat that little, onviously you wouldnt either, it wouldnt be optimal we both agree on that.
As for the competitors that have decades of experience. Of course they would never consume that little protein. They are carrying unhuman ammounts of lbm that require way more than that to just maintain what they already have.
My bad if I rustled your jimmies using the word "ignorant". +1 for healthy debate;)
Ive gotta say that although some of the most ridiculous things Ive ever heard get lumped inas "broscience", I think you will all agree that not everything anecdotal we learn from our bros is hogwash. The greatest example I can think of is the fact that medical nutrition has always been decades behind bodybuilding nutrition. Bros have been saying for a very long time to eat huge to get huge and the docs have only fairly recently acknowledged that their food pyramid is garbage. But I guess that would have to come slowly so they wouldnt have to admit that us meatheads were right all along...
Great level headed response. I've learnt a great deal preeroids from my peers. Although 80% of the time it's hogwash!
Anon"Don't train more than one body part a day.. It will confuse the protein and it won't know where to go."
Does that mean we should be training one pec at a time, etc? Lmao! Crazy some if the things they come up with. Sounded logical to em when they made it up tho.
Sounds ridiculous but I've heard that also hah
I've heard this one also, came out of the mouth of a "personal trainer"
Ace VenturaThis is the best Broscience I've seen:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7kbSfFFEvxw
Haha, i haven't watched watched that dude in forever.
noob941" no-homo though"....fuckin classic
So much broscience it almost seems truthful though.
"keep playing with that thing it'll fall off" mom's was a liar!
That falls under mumscience I'm afraid, or if your a yank, momscience!
If you're just 'experimenting' that doesnt mean you're gay. No you're gay.
If youre in the clink its called male situational awareness and its only gay if you like it.
Or im not gay it's just a hussel
Lmfao! Youve been locked up before!
Yep means iv seen more cock then a femae porn star does that make me gay let's ask my wife
Hell no! Not unless I am too! I pulled a big one (bid, not cock! Lmfao!!) so I saw my share of em too. Thought I had a big dick til I went to the pokey. Damn lying bitches! ROTFLMBO!!
Should also add "it's only gay if you receive, giving is completely straight". That's super gay!.
if you jack off or have sex you don't need too worry about your prostate bhahahahaha
Thank god my missus doesn't use this site so I can carry this one on! Thanks for the input mate haha
I was once told I shouldnt jerk off with a noose around my neck without a spotter , pffft.
Amateurs haha
this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OloLS5kTrVs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUdu...
My favourite was how to skip leg day video !
GearofWarHow about "If you aren't sore the day after your workout, you didn't hit it hard enough.." This one in particular makes me chuckle because we all know how the juice makes us super-human. It's rare for me to ever have muscle soreness when on gear. I Never have the incapacitating soreness that used to come from a hardcore workout.
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