beggining research for third cycle ideas
Ok so here's my current stats: 49 male 5'6" 162 BF% 14%. First cycle was test e 300 x2 week 12 weeks, aromasin 7.5 eod, 15 eod when needed. Pct clomid / nolva /100/100/50/50 , 40/40/20/20 gained 18lbs retained 10lbs lean mass. Could have done a little better, first cycle lessons learned. Currently 5 weeks into 2nd cycle. Test prop kicker 1st 4 weeks @ 100ml EOD and test e 300 x2 week. Also added proviron @ 50 mg ED. started 15mg of aromasin eod week 4. Have already gained some good weight with this cycle, and strength increase is VERY noticable. Will be running this cycle for 16 weeks. Last 4 weeks will be prop taper. With proviron ran until the end. Pct same as first cycle.
Reason for this post is I am looking for suggestion for my third cycle, in the middle of 2nd cycle so won't be starting third until sometime around may 2016, but I like to plan and order ahead and have everything on hand. So what would some of you site veterans suggest for my 3rd cycle? I would like to still keep it relatively simple with maybe the addition of one more compound. I am looking for more mass. I am definitely going to include proviron, or some similar as, such as masteron , which is better? I also really liked the effect of the prop kicker on my second cycle and would like to keep inline with that idea as well. I guess I could go with almost the same thing as 2nd test e 300 x2 wk with test prop kick/taper along with proviron, just wondering if there was a third compound I could/ should add or just keep it really simple and use all the same compounds as 2nd cycle and not change a thing?
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You've got 11 weeks left on this current cycle and eating more and less clean. Get that bulk on. Keep eating big and eat big until your next cycle. If you have difficulty keeping up your appetite perhaps think about GHRP-6. It's not aas, it's a peptide. You'll be more hungry and also the extra bump of growth hormone can help the test work better. Next May when you begin your next cycle go back to eating clean, you'll be used to eating like a horse, continue to build muscle and melt off the fat.
Stick to the proviron instead of the masteron, it's just easier. I commend you for being willing to stick to test only. As far as your estro, I wouldn't worry about 100. That's really not all that high and unless you're planning on getting bloods in another couple weeks, if you adjust the ai dose higher, you may lower estro by too much. Slightly higher than normal is better than crashed. (if you do get bloods more often then adjust away and test your needs)
Here is my 2nd cycle 5th week blood work results. It says sample across it because the software i use to convert from pdf to jpg is allowing me to use for free, but after a certain number of free conversion i will have to pay for the liscense and then that will disappear.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/2nd-cycle-5th-week-blood
Im gonna throw this out there even tho it might not be politically correct at this stage in the game for you. If food intake is an issue and your gonna run a 16 week cycle anyway why not add in some EQ. It will increase your appetite and put some clean size on you unlike say Deca. 600mg test and 600mg EQ imho would do you good. The EQ dose might be a little on the low side for some but for a first run with EQ i think its good. Make sure you get bloods on cycle though bec EQ will raise your rbc and you wanna keep that in check. Donate blood as needed to keep hemocrit in a safe range....thats just my opinion. I would stay away from orals....for me they destroy my appetite and use them for cutting only. Good luck brother and keep killing it.
Rageracing I appreciate your input, but I think I'm gonna keep it simple like most have reccommended. I am gonna just repeat my 2nd cycle. I really like the prop kick/taper for the immediate effect. And since I stopped worrying about eating so clean I have really started to add on some weight every week consistently. I think adding more compounds is a ways off for me.
RustyhookerRepeat cycle 2. It's the food that'll add mass. I'm 5-4 @ 200.
Check your bloods before cycle? At our age natural test can dwindle, and gains lost.
Absolutely I am a big believer in blood work. Just my mid cycle work back today. Actually I'm 5 weeks into a 16 week cycle so technically it's not mid cycle blood work, but anyway I have not been able to print it out yet, will post it with my other posted blood work later, but here are the pertinent numbers.
FSH= < 0.7 LH = < 0.2 estradiol = 104 this is higher then I though it would be, I have been taking my aromasin as I though was needed but it is tough to figure, because I noticed from both my cycles my estradiol can get a little high I I don't really have any physical symptoms, I took a single dose of letrozole to try to get a big drop, and then will continue with my 15mg EOD of aromasin as usual. How much drop in estradiol could I expect from a single dose, I know this varies from person to person, but in general? And lastly my total test level is 4982. Not surprising the oil I am using is very good. Plus I added prop kicker this cycle too. I will post side by side comparison of my mid cycle blood work from my 1st cycle and this cycle as soon as I can, would like some feedback.
If it ain't broke don't try to fix it. Repeat same cycle. Food seems to be your problem, running a stack isn't going to put more mass on you. You are pretty light so you really need to master the food intake/diet if you want to put some real mass on.
yes absoloutely correct, deit is my problem. I eat very clean, but have always had problem eating large quantities. will definitely try the morning shake rusty suggested.
Sometimes when you have a problem not being able to eat enough, try not to worry to much about if you are eating clean. You just need to eat.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-gain/the-har...
X2. Don't be afraid to add in some not so clean foods a few times a week to get the calories needed to add size.
What RH said! 2nd cycle is plenty. Diet is where the results come from.
Blood work is sooo important for many reasons.
RustyhookerQuite a few of the older guys came to eroids to get a cycle. Had them run bloods and found they needed trt and endo help. Just having proper test levels got their body and life back on track. Others found health issues they corrected. Great group of folks here
Yes I am a big believer in blood work. I have pre cycle, mid cycle and post cycle blood work from my first cycle posted here, also have pre cycle work for the cycle I am currently on, and am getting my mid cycle work done this Thursday. My test level were very low. First cycle pre test levels showed as 284, then post test levels 4 months after last pin was 335. I am certain I would benefit from try and will be looking into it after this next cycle, my brother is already on trt, he has been for several years. He doesn't workout and never touched aas, just had naturally low numbers in his mid 30s,
Glad to hear the suggestion of doing 3rd cycle same as 2nd, I am mid cycle now and really like the simplicity and effectiveness of test e with test prop kick/ taper, then with the addition of proviron that really made a difference in my strength gains as well as my over all sense of well being and libido. During my last PCT my wife actually asked when are you gonna start your next cycle. I think she is really enjoying the fringe benefits! And then last thing is my diet, I know this is where I can make this greatest improvements, I eat very clean, but I have a hard time eating more then 3000 calories a day and keeping them lean and clean. Thanks for all the input
Add more healthy fats to your diet. Easiest way to bump up your calories. A tablespoon of olive oil has like 100 calories and its extremely healthy for your heart and such. Macadamian nut oil is even better. Add a few table spoons of that each day and snack on some unsalted almonds and there's another 300-500 calories and you won't even feel like you ate anything.
Yea, I eat a big handful of unsalted almonds everyday, keep it in a Tupperware with all my other food that eat eat through out the day. Been doing that for about 2 years. I have recently really started adding some good weight, I just started eating a lot. Stopped worrying so much about how clean it was. Put on about 8 lbs in the last few weeks, I'll worry about cutting later. Just need some size.
I love macadamia nut oil or walnut oil. Sometimes I'll add a little to a shake but my favorite is a grilled chicken salad with everything. Eggs, sunflower seeds, berries, etc. Always top it with a little balsamic and plenty of nut oil.
RustyhookerComplex cycles will eventually have their merit but it's literally stuck to the pin and clock. It's nice doing a simple eat and grow. Proviron is a great addition!
Calories can be bumped easily. Cook 2 cups oats, 50 grams whey and banana. Blender it up with choice of milk. Roughly 1000 calories right in the morning.
Many small meals is easier than couple big ones. Food is always the hardest part. Gear is gear. Gym and foods. Keeps it fun though hitting next plateau!
First time i ran bloods I found out test levels were just a hair over 300. Of course the doctor wouldn't do anything so I looked into trt elsewhere. People talk about roid rage but I'm so laid back on test. I was a moody A hole when I had low T. Lol. It's nice being able to hold on to gains and comforting knowing I'm healthy with regular blood work and checkups. Good Lord willing I plan on being around a while.
RustyhookerDoctors just see a number and don't figure that on that day you were just over 300 but rest of week you might have been 250. Hormones aren't dead steady so sometimes ya gotta take care of yourself.
So far I still pct. But someday it'll happen to me as well