+ 1 Alcohol induced gyno?
Alright so where to start. I guess I'm looking for some anecdotal experience with alcohol and gyno.
First off I've never been a drinker. Im 35 and in a year I might have 6 beers. Covid had me and the new wife at home getting drunk almost daily. I was running 250mg a week of test. No ai.
I developed some lumps behind my nipples. I just noticed them one day. They weren't painful or noticeable i was feeling my nipples as a check and noticed them. Ive ran test at 750mg a week before with no ai and never had gynk problems. The only thing different was the quarantine and alcohol.
Anyone experience anything like this?
I immediately quit alcohol and ordered some letro and nolva. Took aromasin at 12.5mg ed until my nolva and letro arrived. Took 2.5mg of letro a day for 3 weeks with 20mg of nolva. The lumps got as big as marbles and are now at pea size. Tapering off the letro at 1.25mg eod for 2 or 3 weeks and will switch to aromasin again. No estrogen blows. After my protocol I will go back in cruise and get bloodwork to establish a base for my ai. (Biggest mistake not getting bloodwork and playing by feel)
Feel free to add any input on my gyno protocol, I understand raloxifene is suppoed to be better but I am running a letro nolva protocol so input on that is what I'm after particularly
Thanks fellas
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Molinin302https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3987263/
Im a big fan of the NCBI abstracts, read up guy, hope this helps.
Hey man, if its any consolation, I'm really glad you posted this. I'm new to the TRT game and I didnt know alcohol was that bad while on TRT. Not much of a drinker, but have been drinking more than usual lately. I apparently gotta learn to have some "just in case" gear as well.
AnonI think alcohol sucks. Some guys just have to get the glands cut out cause throwing drugs at the problem doesn't always work long term.
Alcohol aromatizes broski. The cycle intensifies it. Be careful. That's like playing with coke & caffeine. Some things just don't belong together. Especially daily. I get you got carried away. Hope you find a resolution to your problems.
Alcohol aromatizes, in alcohics not the casual drinker. There have been many studies and lots of broscience. The scientific proof is heavy drinkers and alcoholics have aromatization issues but not nearly as much as you think. Women are more susceptible to high estrogen from alcoholism then men.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11163119/
Those genetically predisposed to an increase in aromatization caused by alcohol can get breast cancer from high estrogen and/from alcohol abuse.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378512213000121
AnonI drank twice in quarantine while blasting Tren test mast var and proviron with a little adex on pin days for the long esters, no gyno. When I drink I'll have a couple shots though, caught a very slight buzz and didn't like it at allllll. I'd way rather focus on those gains! Plus it mentally made me a little....weird.
Don't drink on cycle, that's how good people wind up in prison.
No gyno though.
I'm on dbol/drol right now on a high/medium dose and in 2 weeks had a very slight nipple tingle and if you squeeze them they got wet. I made the best of it and became a wet nurse.
Kidding...I took nolva at 40mg a day for a week and lowered the dbol dose back under 100/day. Dbol doesn't do much for me, I barely hold water even, I don't understand. My bp was 135/60 something as well, I can see a little extra pump in the mirror but that's it.
It's a highly reputable brand and definitely not bunk, I did get choked up a few times now that I think about it...
Drol on the other hand...that shit is my friend now! Added so much to my bench so quick it felt like my bones were getting tweaked hard on the low range of the bench...
I hate the fact that you took testo and alcohol. Quarantine is no excuse! And then you don't have letro on the cycle? Everything is clear with you! In my experience, several times there were pains in the nipples and a slight induration. I just closed this question half a pill letro and a few days later again and that's it. And you watched your boobs grow and waited for the letro and nolva to come. Horror movie .
Did you get any sides from the 1/2 pill of letro (I’m guessing 1.25mg)?
I used to run it a lot but I find upping aromasin and throwing low dose nolvadex works much better than taking any dose of letro which kills my e2
I wrote that I used letro 1.25 only if I felt pain in the nipples and hardening! And it was only twice for me. Have you seen?
I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I asked you a question and sharing my own experience. There might be a language barrier.
I didn’t neg you either.
Sorry bro. Yes, there is a language barrier. I sometimes use google translator. Yes, I know letro can kill estro but only if it's a big dose. In the case of gyno, even half a pill can be very effective a couple of times, unless of course the boobs have grown)
I hear everything your saying. I'm on trt so the test is going to be there. Should it be 250mg thats debatable but thats what I run. I have never in 3 years suffered gyni issues so I never kept letro on hand. Never bought nolva when I went on trt for the same reasons. Should I have had them on hand? Yes hindsight is 20/20 though. And like I said in my post I didn't have any nipple irritation or sensitivity. I only noticed because I was checking for lumps. So no i didn't exactly watch them grow. They were never noticeable to the eye. Please explain though what all is clear about me? I feel as thougu you're judging me which is fine but im not sure what your judging me based on
Edit im not trying to be argumentative i just don't want to be seen as an idiot and ignored. I value everyone's opinion and welcome advice
Molinin302Everyone reading your post is judging you, you took testosterone which is a very powerful hormonal DRUG, and decided to drink every day, then use quarantine as an excuse. Some guys here made and met sit-up goals, learned new recipies, basket weaving... whatever. You wanted to abuse alcohol, throw your balance as well as liver vslues, triglycerides, blood pressure, etc. for a crazy ride. Now youre asking for advice, youre getting it. Theres a lot of members here that would say youre not responsible enough to be using the testosterone. Maybe i should take that side, but I would like to see you get yourself fixed. I wasnt going to go here with this response, but you made me. "I feel like youre judging me?", well yeah.
It is what it is. Judge all you want. If I wanted to get roasted I would have asked to get roasted. I asked for advice and experiences. And none has been given..... so if im a little defensive so be it. I never said what I did was right. Looking for conversation and learning not harassment.
Molinin302Shortest and most direct answer... yes. Alcohol is horrible on the body, and before anyone says it thins your blood and is great for blood pressure, think about it for a minute. It was always your drunk uncle or grandfather saying that. Never your physician. In any case, I'd say follow a typical protocol for this, which it sounds like you're doing. You'll be ok my bro, just realize that stuff is poison. Don't ask how I know lol.
I find the whole world of gear and bodybuildong fascinating so I have no issues spending a couple hours a day reading up on stuff. Not one for drinking i dod not do any research on it and its effects on estrogem and what not. Really pissed at myself for not being wiser. Do you think I will be more gyno sensitive in the future or without the alcohol should I go back to not being gyno prone again?
in my research I've read that alcohol makes estrogen run rampant which is what is leading me to believe that was the cause
Glad to hear ya made it out that ok!
I’ve always heard that alcohol raises estrogen levels so I guess it is true
Yeah hard lesson learned on my end but hopefully others can take something away from it. The gyno is either gone or so small that I can't really tell if its there so I would say I made it out alright.