+ 6 ~ A Philosophical Question ~
We currently have a contest brewing in the ARENA
http://www.eroids.com/og/the-arena/foolmeonce-vs.-gorillafit
Check out the stats on each contestant, I'm adding their ages because that's the crux of my question:
GorillaFit- Starting date: 9-22-13
Starting Stats- 206lbs 8-12% bf
Age: 51
FoolMeOnce- Starting date : 9-18- 13
Starting Stats- 202lbs 11-14% bf
Age: 19
Here's a recent post I made on that thread:
This arena is awesome. Yet, on one hand I love the angst created from the EBC thread and now carried over to this Arena, the 30 plus year age difference, and the raw contention. On the other hand, I keep coming back to the fact that Foolmeonce is only 19 and this competition could be very dangerous for him. It's seriously like corrupting a minor. Not a minor legally, but certainly in the world of AAS. And yet again, when someone is warned over and over, and just ignores the factual dangers and has that 'that won't happen to me' attitude no matter how much effort is used to dissuade him, then I have no problem watching them destroy themselves. It's a cruel world and survival of the fittest is the predominant rule. Food for thought.
THE PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION: (Edit: original is below - edited question is the second question)
As implied in my above post, what's your take on the potential for FoolMeOnce to permanently damage himself?
The potential danger for FoolMeOnce is irrefutable. Should he be given a platform such as The Area and all the attention and subsequent motivation and encouragement?
My opinion is that he's already on a crash course for serious problems, and this competition is going to accelerate his potential demise. Conversely, I don't care very much. Why? Because he's been warned countless times by people on this site who are absolute gurus. And I rarely use that word to describe anyone, but we're honored and privileged to have many. I'm not talking about Karma points either. Some have a ton, others have little. It's about knowledge and real world experience and the willingness to share and educate. But education is a two way relationship. The student must be receptive and heed accordingly. The above is a case where we have a non-receptive student. And my final thought is: let nature run its course. Brutal as it is at times, like watching a lion run down an antelope and eat it alive.
What are your thoughts?
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RustyhookerHe talks the same BS like monster6666......
Evolving thoughts: I'll do what I think necessary to prevent the accelerated demise of FoolMeOnce, but won't put much more effort into it than I already have. I've made two comments on the Arena thread, and this thread is probably my final attempt to stop this run away train.
I've got to give it to some of you guys for giving a shit. Maybe I'm just too jaded, but when there is a resource like eroids available. With all of the brilliant minds, and literally 1000s of years of experience. Why does anyone give a shit when someone is warned, but they choose to do so anyway? Yes, it makes us look bad, since most of us promote responsible usage of AAS. We should not support, or even condone it. But then again, the kid has all of the info and experience that is available in the entire world at his fingertips, and he says fuck you, I know better. I will not follow or post in that thread, because personally I feel that it's wrong, but as an overall community are we stepping out of line and going into uncharted territory with this? No. Still +1 for having a sense of personal responsibility.
Perhaps yes, I didn't think of that. At least on this site it may be uncharted territory. Although surely other sites have unscrupulously done so by ignoring the age criteria.
Thanks for the opinion bro.
Idk bro. No offense to xv, but in his case the age thing became moot rather quickly. He also deserves credit for the hard work and determination he put in to get where he is. He's defintely not the only one but he's the most well known on the site, so I'm using him as an example. If you show some maturity here on eroids, you seem to get a pass on whether or not you're body is physically ready for AAS. I still say we're not in uncharted territory, even for this site.
ur talking about this guy
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/would-like-some-experienced-expert-help...
he said he kept 30lbs of muscle and ran tren on his 1st cycle...claims to have a bunch of girls who go to him for advise as clients for fitness. i think every one should get a respectable body at one point before cycling regardless of cycling.
i really dnt think this is even a fair challenge Gfit will destroy this guy. i give him props for stepping up but i dont think he should be cycling, i think he should focus more on diet and cardio & training.. once he gets that down he can run a test cycle to see where he is at..
FoolMeOnceYou want in on this competition bro? Ill take you and gorilla on at 1/3rd the gear.
Fyi that cycle was my 3rd cycle... and didnt you run a deca only cycle before? Yea we all make our mistakes. Live and learn. Also how do you know or not if im knowledgeable in the areas of nutrition and training? That claim alone is ignorant. Your starting age was earlier than mine... why? Because you had a dream a burning passion to be a beast. So dont sit there and tell me what I should and shouldnt be doing unless its advice on cycle adjustments.
U just fooled ur self once again bro
Am I dreaming? Or this just a funny joke. I know that ur not knowledgeable in the area of training and diet because of ur pics. If u were , u would practice what u preach. Then again I seen plenty of out shape personal trainers.
And how can u take this
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/24543/942179_709769782...
FoolMeOnceLookin sick bro im not denying that, but its not about whos the best looking, its about the most impressive transformation over these couple months, and im saying I can take you. Are you ganna back down and not accept my challenge?
AnonYou got understand bro... it would take XV about a week to be bloated and look like shit. He competes so given he does a half ass contest prep he'll go from blob to 4% BF with veins on veins. People do the same thing for the EBC.
Hey bro I hate to break it to u but I have one of the best transformation in the state, if not in the nation . One that got a shit load of client and got me
To make a living out of this .
Tell u what... Why don't u ask the MODS if it's ok and I ll happy to put an ass whopping on u. I don't wana be looked bad at or banned when I push 19 yr old kid to his limits and he ends up messing himself up.. But then again from the way ur talking , it sounds like it's coming ur way. And when that happens ur gunna be so humbled and feel
Like a dumb ass Also $150?? Lol I was thinking more like $1000
Yo Xv don't even bother with this kid.
he's the little chihuahua barking up a storm who thinks he can beat up the cane corso (you). You vs him would be a pure slaughter but he doesn't understand. He thinks he is better than everyone else and challenges anyone who opposes (as you can see). Everyone who disagree with this kid automatically sets off his defense mechanism which is him talking shit and wanting to battle. It's comical but at the same time he's just immature and doesn't know what he is getting himself into. He's going to be the type of guy that gets his ass kicked at bars and parties every time but yet each and every time he does it again and again talks shit and gets beat up and never learns from it. In my opinion just ignore his silly threats they are harmless and pointless and just result in him getting his ass beat.
I'm not I would never challenge this kid
FoolMeOnceNobody threatened anyone? lol come on bro. Give it a chance
Little do you know that Chihuahua's angry, packing heat and ready to take on a grizzly bear.
FoolMeOnceIm doing this because I want to, you guys are pushing me no more than im pushing myself to do this. Also I plan to get near mimicking results of your 1 year transformation in 1 cycle. If I had the $1000 I would so throw that down. Tell you what come round two id be willing to throw down $1000 just join this one for the fun of it
You guys have no idea whats coming.
Nope sorry bro , I don't battle guys who I think are using AAS in the wrong way. If u wana challenge me , maybe I ll see at a show
Or something later down the road and
Then it will be up the judges. I don't really have anything to prove and I don't want to be involved in this. Also I don't wana get banned and judging from ur posts Viking might be coming to do something about this as I know he doesn't like ppl giving nor advising ppl under 25 to do steroids
FoolMeOnceIf you guys really want me to keep my results, and blood tests to myself thats fine. If banning me must be done so be it. But I know alot of people want to see this unravel. As do I.
Nope again nobody wants to see this unravel
FoolMeOnceAlso I would really love if you just joined, your not condoning nor promoting anything. Its just a friendly competition. Sorry but gorillafit just isnt much of a challenge. Now you on the other hand has proved himself and done great things already. Which is why I would love for you to join this competition and wipe the floor with me. Please for me.
Wow. Of all the dumb shit I've seen, this takes the cake. I'm shaking my head and laughing at the same time. I've gotta hand it to you boy, you sure know how to entertain.
FoolMeOnceAnd entertain I shall ;)
RustyhookerBut that would put you in 3rd....
Anonoh my, challenging an older guy that looks decent for his age is a far cry from challenging a pro BB like XV. Now I know you are just trying to be silly.
FoolMeOncehahah oh thats where your wrong. Id be silly to not include a guy like xvbeast just to better prove my knowledge!
AnonWell good luck
FoolMeOnceThank you
It's so ridiculous, he'll probably not waste any time even responding to you.
That's the youngster. Yeah, it's great that he's so motivated and has potential, but as I said, he's on a crash course for serious health problems. Bro, if he just read some of the shit that you've been through, and was willing to learn from it. You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.
AnonIm sorry I know this doesnt answer the question, but why are these two competing ?
When I had a very fast car, coupled with my track experience if I came accross a kid who thought he had a hot car and we started driving on the road agressively (racing ) would I be at fault if he crashed and killed himself/others ? Well not entirely but certainly to a large degree.
FoolMeOnceIm doing this to prove to all of eroids im not just another average 19 year old on gear. Im ganna do amazing things. Your ganna see me everywhere, and everyones ganna scratch there heads asking themselves how the fuck I did it. Time is all I need to prove what im made of. So be Courteous enough to give me time to do so before giving me a plate of crap. Thanks, and I promise to not disappoint!
Well I hope you have enough money to buy pharm hgh and run it year round with other peptides crucial to massive gains. But you probably don't.
FoolMeOnceCan you really not wait to jump to conclusions before I even started?
You're talking about "im ganna get hyooge in a month and prove to evrywun im not an average tween"
It takes a lot longer than a few months to get huge, and like I said if you are serious about your pro card then I hope you have a lot of money to support the massive amounts of ASS, HGH, insulin, and food you'll need to get there.
AnonI dont think I gave you a plate of crap.
FoolMeOnceYou didnt and I appreciate that.
I actually applaud your determination to reach a goal. What you need is patience and some understanding that you're trying to force something impossible: to accelerate time. There's nothing you can do about being 19 except enjoy, well, I was going to say enjoy your natty test which is ever increasing for about another 5 or 6 years. But you've interrupted that growth choosing to wreak complete havoc on your natty systems.
FoolMeOncehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tth-8wA3PdY
If i cant get my message through to you, maybe this will.
Survival is a minimalist ideal. Don't you want to live life to it's fullest? Not just survive.
FoolMeOnce"Survival is a minimalist ideal" Smartest thing ive heard from anyone on this post. Which is exactly why im pursuing this. I dont want to just survive and be average like you. I want to do something no ones ever done before. I wanna live!!!!!!!
It started in the Summer EBC thread as an argument and subsequent trash talking about who was a better bodybuilder.
Your racing example is a perfect analogy for this situation.
I strongly agree. You would have provided motivation, and encouragement. Although he should have known his limitations. This is why many police departments will not do high speed chases in residential neighborhoods.
AnonI was actually told by police I would be charged with something, and if any ivestigation turned up my track experience they told me it would be a whole lot worse for me.
Another thing, in this particular case I just dont have a clue who is the lion and who is the antelope ?
Perhaps you better not answer that though ;)
That's right about what would happen in court. I once saw a bouncer/door man appear in court. Assault and battery was the main charge. The defendant was 32 years old, 6'3", 250 lbs and clearly very muscular. Upon questioning, it was discovered that he had boxing and self-defense experience. Another aggravating fact is that the accuser was 21 years old, 5' 6" and 140 lbs. The judge ripped the bouncer and found him guilty.
Regarding the lion and antelope... I wish I had thought of your racing analogy first. But in this case, FoolMeOnce would represent the antelope. The naive antelope thinking nothing will happen. The lion is the world of AAS. I still like your analogy better. Haha.
My personal take I believe it is an unhealthy competition. I don't know anyone who likes competition more than me but not at the expense of people egging on a 19 year old to do it or prove himself by having to take ridiculous amounts of drugs. It is hypocritical to preach in one breath "don't do aas until at least 25!" and than go and support this. I personally am disappointed in Gfit for entering into this with this young man and even egging him on. I believe believe each person should take responsibility for his own part, and no one is forcing anyone to do this. None the less it is a bad example to be set!
FoolMeOnceAppreciate all the love and concern! But none the less I know what im doing and im going to be approaching this from a much safer perspective than most do. Im ganna be taking in 1/4th the drugs that these pros do... I just got done doing an 8 week cycle of 400mgtren, 250mg deca, and 600mg test... I will be getting bloods done tomorrow to see if i fully recovered or not. If I didnt then oh well, gives me more the reason to pursue my dreams. As far as other potentials to permanently damage myself, the only one I can think of other than my endocrine system is my liver, which i am not a fan of orals. All I ask is you guys to stop being nancys and let me gorilla do this thing. Last thing we need is you hippies protesting our shit.
Boy, you are still as thick headed as I've ever seen. These are facts. Irrefutable facts. That means that regardless of your opinion as to their veracity, they remain facts.
You are 19 years old. Taking a quarter of what the pros take is irrelevant and absurd. You just can't seem to comprehend the implications of being 19. This means NO AAS until about age 25. End of discussion.
Don't you care about being able to fuck?! Are you a virgin? Because getting laid was pretty much all I cared about at 19. You'd risk your sexual health to chase a dream where you're the ultimate male, but you can't fuck. You need to see a psychiatrist.
FoolMeOnceYea thats all I thought about when I was a virgin too. Sex is overrated and not at the top of my priority list anymore. But once youve been around you realize its all meaningless till you find that one person, and when I do I will either be naturally fully functional or trt fully functional. Regardless as long as the world keeps spinning there will be testosterone!
First of all you can do whatever you want. What you can't do is do it here without it being commented on! Learn the the unwritten rules here aas usage under 25 is not encouraged! Let alone running compounds like tren at 19. But most of all you being put on a platform and no one here commenting so that other men your age don't make the mistake that the majority of us who do know what we are doing support such choices.
By those who have forgotten more than you can remember. I will look forward to those blood test being posted also in your great diligence of doing it right who many bloods have you run to date since your usage?
You know I called you a man but with your above comment I will now address you as a immature boy. Nancie's & Hippies you are whoa fully out of your depths in who you are addressing. And by these accusations you have clearly proven your lack of maturity to use aas at all. Do you know anything about the men here that you insult?
Completely agree Pank. This is why I wrote this post. If the 19 year old is going to do what he wants regardless of the know dangers, it doesn't mean he should be given encouragement, let alone a platform for self-destruction. He already gets that unwise encouragement from his 'peeps'. This is like the above analogy regarding the lion and antelope. This arena is like interfering with nature by hobbling the antelope.