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+ 6 ~ A Philosophical Question ~

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We currently have a contest brewing in the ARENA
http://www.eroids.com/og/the-arena/foolmeonce-vs.-gorillafit

Check out the stats on each contestant, I'm adding their ages because that's the crux of my question:

GorillaFit- Starting date: 9-22-13
Starting Stats- 206lbs 8-12% bf
Age: 51

FoolMeOnce- Starting date : 9-18- 13
Starting Stats- 202lbs 11-14% bf
Age: 19

Here's a recent post I made on that thread:

This arena is awesome. Yet, on one hand I love the angst created from the EBC thread and now carried over to this Arena, the 30 plus year age difference, and the raw contention. On the other hand, I keep coming back to the fact that Foolmeonce is only 19 and this competition could be very dangerous for him. It's seriously like corrupting a minor. Not a minor legally, but certainly in the world of AAS. And yet again, when someone is warned over and over, and just ignores the factual dangers and has that 'that won't happen to me' attitude no matter how much effort is used to dissuade him, then I have no problem watching them destroy themselves. It's a cruel world and survival of the fittest is the predominant rule. Food for thought.

THE PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION: (Edit: original is below - edited question is the second question)
As implied in my above post, what's your take on the potential for FoolMeOnce to permanently damage himself?
The potential danger for FoolMeOnce is irrefutable. Should he be given a platform such as The Area and all the attention and subsequent motivation and encouragement?

My opinion is that he's already on a crash course for serious problems, and this competition is going to accelerate his potential demise. Conversely, I don't care very much. Why? Because he's been warned countless times by people on this site who are absolute gurus. And I rarely use that word to describe anyone, but we're honored and privileged to have many. I'm not talking about Karma points either. Some have a ton, others have little. It's about knowledge and real world experience and the willingness to share and educate. But education is a two way relationship. The student must be receptive and heed accordingly. The above is a case where we have a non-receptive student. And my final thought is: let nature run its course. Brutal as it is at times, like watching a lion run down an antelope and eat it alive.

What are your thoughts?

Denser's picture

Evolving thoughts: I'll do what I think necessary to prevent the accelerated demise of FoolMeOnce, but won't put much more effort into it than I already have. I've made two comments on the Arena thread, and this thread is probably my final attempt to stop this run away train.

ReadyToKillIt's picture

I've got to give it to some of you guys for giving a shit. Maybe I'm just too jaded, but when there is a resource like eroids available. With all of the brilliant minds, and literally 1000s of years of experience. Why does anyone give a shit when someone is warned, but they choose to do so anyway? Yes, it makes us look bad, since most of us promote responsible usage of AAS. We should not support, or even condone it. But then again, the kid has all of the info and experience that is available in the entire world at his fingertips, and he says fuck you, I know better. I will not follow or post in that thread, because personally I feel that it's wrong, but as an overall community are we stepping out of line and going into uncharted territory with this? No. Still +1 for having a sense of personal responsibility.

Denser's picture

uncharted territory

Perhaps yes, I didn't think of that. At least on this site it may be uncharted territory. Although surely other sites have unscrupulously done so by ignoring the age criteria.

Thanks for the opinion bro.

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Idk bro. No offense to xv, but in his case the age thing became moot rather quickly. He also deserves credit for the hard work and determination he put in to get where he is. He's defintely not the only one but he's the most well known on the site, so I'm using him as an example. If you show some maturity here on eroids, you seem to get a pass on whether or not you're body is physically ready for AAS. I still say we're not in uncharted territory, even for this site.

XvBeast's picture

ur talking about this guy
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/would-like-some-experienced-expert-help...
he said he kept 30lbs of muscle and ran tren on his 1st cycle...claims to have a bunch of girls who go to him for advise as clients for fitness. i think every one should get a respectable body at one point before cycling regardless of cycling.

i really dnt think this is even a fair challenge Gfit will destroy this guy. i give him props for stepping up but i dont think he should be cycling, i think he should focus more on diet and cardio & training.. once he gets that down he can run a test cycle to see where he is at..

XvBeast's picture

U just fooled ur self once again bro

XvBeast's picture

Am I dreaming? Or this just a funny joke. I know that ur not knowledgeable in the area of training and diet because of ur pics. If u were , u would practice what u preach. Then again I seen plenty of out shape personal trainers.

And how can u take this
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/24543/942179_709769782...

XvBeast's picture

Hey bro I hate to break it to u but I have one of the best transformation in the state, if not in the nation . One that got a shit load of client and got me
To make a living out of this .

XvBeast's picture

Tell u what... Why don't u ask the MODS if it's ok and I ll happy to put an ass whopping on u. I don't wana be looked bad at or banned when I push 19 yr old kid to his limits and he ends up messing himself up.. But then again from the way ur talking , it sounds like it's coming ur way. And when that happens ur gunna be so humbled and feel
Like a dumb ass Also $150?? Lol I was thinking more like $1000

j223's picture

Yo Xv don't even bother with this kid.

he's the little chihuahua barking up a storm who thinks he can beat up the cane corso (you). You vs him would be a pure slaughter but he doesn't understand. He thinks he is better than everyone else and challenges anyone who opposes (as you can see). Everyone who disagree with this kid automatically sets off his defense mechanism which is him talking shit and wanting to battle. It's comical but at the same time he's just immature and doesn't know what he is getting himself into. He's going to be the type of guy that gets his ass kicked at bars and parties every time but yet each and every time he does it again and again talks shit and gets beat up and never learns from it. In my opinion just ignore his silly threats they are harmless and pointless and just result in him getting his ass beat.

XvBeast's picture

I'm not I would never challenge this kid

XvBeast's picture

Nope sorry bro , I don't battle guys who I think are using AAS in the wrong way. If u wana challenge me , maybe I ll see at a show
Or something later down the road and
Then it will be up the judges. I don't really have anything to prove and I don't want to be involved in this. Also I don't wana get banned and judging from ur posts Viking might be coming to do something about this as I know he doesn't like ppl giving nor advising ppl under 25 to do steroids

XvBeast's picture

Nope again nobody wants to see this unravel

Denser's picture

Wow. Of all the dumb shit I've seen, this takes the cake. I'm shaking my head and laughing at the same time. I've gotta hand it to you boy, you sure know how to entertain.

Denser's picture

It's so ridiculous, he'll probably not waste any time even responding to you.

Denser's picture

That's the youngster. Yeah, it's great that he's so motivated and has potential, but as I said, he's on a crash course for serious health problems. Bro, if he just read some of the shit that you've been through, and was willing to learn from it. You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

White Bolt's picture

Well I hope you have enough money to buy pharm hgh and run it year round with other peptides crucial to massive gains. But you probably don't.

White Bolt's picture

You're talking about "im ganna get hyooge in a month and prove to evrywun im not an average tween"

It takes a lot longer than a few months to get huge, and like I said if you are serious about your pro card then I hope you have a lot of money to support the massive amounts of ASS, HGH, insulin, and food you'll need to get there.

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I actually applaud your determination to reach a goal. What you need is patience and some understanding that you're trying to force something impossible: to accelerate time. There's nothing you can do about being 19 except enjoy, well, I was going to say enjoy your natty test which is ever increasing for about another 5 or 6 years. But you've interrupted that growth choosing to wreak complete havoc on your natty systems.

Denser's picture

Survival is a minimalist ideal. Don't you want to live life to it's fullest? Not just survive.

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It started in the Summer EBC thread as an argument and subsequent trash talking about who was a better bodybuilder.

Your racing example is a perfect analogy for this situation.

...would I be at fault if he crashed and killed himself/others? Well not entirely but certainly to a large degree.

I strongly agree. You would have provided motivation, and encouragement. Although he should have known his limitations. This is why many police departments will not do high speed chases in residential neighborhoods.

Denser's picture

That's right about what would happen in court. I once saw a bouncer/door man appear in court. Assault and battery was the main charge. The defendant was 32 years old, 6'3", 250 lbs and clearly very muscular. Upon questioning, it was discovered that he had boxing and self-defense experience. Another aggravating fact is that the accuser was 21 years old, 5' 6" and 140 lbs. The judge ripped the bouncer and found him guilty.

Regarding the lion and antelope... I wish I had thought of your racing analogy first. But in this case, FoolMeOnce would represent the antelope. The naive antelope thinking nothing will happen. The lion is the world of AAS. I still like your analogy better. Haha.

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As implied in my above post, what's your take on the potential for FoolMeOnce to permanently damage himself?

My personal take I believe it is an unhealthy competition. I don't know anyone who likes competition more than me but not at the expense of people egging on a 19 year old to do it or prove himself by having to take ridiculous amounts of drugs. It is hypocritical to preach in one breath "don't do aas until at least 25!" and than go and support this. I personally am disappointed in Gfit for entering into this with this young man and even egging him on. I believe believe each person should take responsibility for his own part, and no one is forcing anyone to do this. None the less it is a bad example to be set!

Denser's picture

Boy, you are still as thick headed as I've ever seen. These are facts. Irrefutable facts. That means that regardless of your opinion as to their veracity, they remain facts.
You are 19 years old. Taking a quarter of what the pros take is irrelevant and absurd. You just can't seem to comprehend the implications of being 19. This means NO AAS until about age 25. End of discussion.

if i fully recovered or not. If I didnt then oh well, gives me more the reason to pursue my dreams.

Don't you care about being able to fuck?! Are you a virgin? Because getting laid was pretty much all I cared about at 19. You'd risk your sexual health to chase a dream where you're the ultimate male, but you can't fuck. You need to see a psychiatrist.

Darktide's picture

All I ask is you guys to stop being nancys and let me gorilla do this thing. Last thing we need is you hippies protesting our shit.

First of all you can do whatever you want. What you can't do is do it here without it being commented on! Learn the the unwritten rules here aas usage under 25 is not encouraged! Let alone running compounds like tren at 19. But most of all you being put on a platform and no one here commenting so that other men your age don't make the mistake that the majority of us who do know what we are doing support such choices.

By those who have forgotten more than you can remember. I will look forward to those blood test being posted also in your great diligence of doing it right who many bloods have you run to date since your usage?

You know I called you a man but with your above comment I will now address you as a immature boy. Nancie's & Hippies you are whoa fully out of your depths in who you are addressing. And by these accusations you have clearly proven your lack of maturity to use aas at all. Do you know anything about the men here that you insult?

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Completely agree Pank. This is why I wrote this post. If the 19 year old is going to do what he wants regardless of the know dangers, it doesn't mean he should be given encouragement, let alone a platform for self-destruction. He already gets that unwise encouragement from his 'peeps'. This is like the above analogy regarding the lion and antelope. This arena is like interfering with nature by hobbling the antelope.