posted Sat, 02/24/2018 - 06:00
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Good morning!
Here's my plan for my 1st cycle:
-Testosterone Cypionate: 250 mg x 2 per week for 12 weeks;
-Dianabol: 30mg every day for 4 weeks;
-Arimidex: 0.5 mg ED for 12 weeks;
-HCG: 500 IU per week for 12 weeks to keep the testicles running.
Here are my current stats:
Age: 32
Height: 6'
Weight: 215 lbs
BF: 13-14%
My goal is to reach 230 lbs without too much fat (not above 15%).
All feedbacks are more than welcome!
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How and why does this guy have so much time and energy to keep this drivel going?!...If you find this forum so depressing and negative why keep coming back here and logging in?
I've basically been called ''arrogant'' and received negative karma just because I chose not to follow the advices given by some members. That is wrong and I wanted to point it out. It's probably not gonna change anything but I had to do it.
Now I'm done. Peace everybody.
-2,......... a going away gift.
Its not because you didn’t follow the advice. If you want to run tren on your first cycle, at the end of the day is your body and your decision.
But you kept coming back, defending this irresponsible behaviour, giving updates on a cycle everybody told you not to run, etc and that is the dangerous part because some newbie may read your post and think tren on a first cycle is a good a idea, and end up getting hurt because of you.
You were given advice, you chose not to follow it. That should have been the end of the story, but no, you kept coming back and pushing it
So you think it was wrong to give updates on my cycle because I was told not to run it?
meaningless because there are safer ways to get those results. No one said it wouldn't work. It's about risk v reward.
How about running a 500mg week test only for your second cycle and compare results/sides.
You’re wise above your years....
That doesn’t fit his victim narrative.
TROLL's
Here's your argument:
"Everyone say's not to text and drive because you'll get into an accident and kill yourself or some one else. But look at me, I'm texting and driving right now and only got into one small accident -but it's OK because I was able to pop the dent out. I'm speaking from real life experience not from the internet, I bet none of you have experience texting and driving. You all are over reacting because I thought about it and made an independent decision that worked for me."
YOLO
P.S. I've survived this life twice as long as you've been alive. Hopefully, you'll outgrow your youthful "superman arrogance" and start taking sage advise from those who have come before you and have experience. Then you might one day be able to sit where I am and see just how foolish a young buck as yourself sounds. (I can picture KMC shaking his head at me thinking, "How did that punk ass kid become a mod?")
Was your first cycle a success? Perhaps.
Did you take needless risks? Most definitely.
Could you have gotten the same or better results and better data if you had followed proper protocol? Most certainly.
YODO
I sincerely did not mean to sound arrogant.
Please erase my account.
Thank you.
RustyhookerWhy not just tone down the attitude, learn and be a productive member?
I would love that but it's too late. Like I said, with a karma of -16, my credibility is gone. Whatever I write won't be taken seriously now. The best thing to do would be to close down my account.
RustyhookerYour account wont be closed.
Credibility wasnt the issue. Your bad attitude is the issue. Pct and come back here like you want to be here.
-16 isnt good but ive seen folks go from far worse to adv
With all due respect, I think your example is poorly chosen. If I choose to text and drive, I put other people at risk. When I choose to do certain types of gear, I only put my health at risk. So why no just respect my decision and encourage the fact that I'm sharing my experience so others can benefit from it? Also, the science of steroids is far from accurate. No real studies were done on steroids for performance enhancement. At the end of the day, it's still all bro science even if the advice comes from members with the most points on this site.
Doing some research, getting as much advices as possible, and then making ''my own'' decision isn't ''youthful'' as you say. I think it is a sign of maturity.
There is a common theme here where if you choose not to follow some advices given by people with a lot of points, you are somehow arrogant. That is youthful right there.
In all the other forums, a lot of people told me it wasn't the best idea to use Tren on a first cycle. However, they respected my decision and encouraged me to share my results. Here, I've received a load of negativity. It's sad.
Because by us allowing you to act irresponsibly it encourages others to act the same, therefore, my example is apt. You are putting others at risk if they choose to follow your example.
The type of decision you are making suffers from the lack of life experiance. You're only capable of weighing pros and cons in decision making based on your past and through the filter of, "It'll never happen to me". You are quick to dismiss other opinions as being without merit. You chose to, "Hear what you want to hear, and disregard the rest". That my friend is not a mature decision making process.
Karma has nothing to do with it. Although I'm sure you want to make it appear as such so it fits your narrative. Members with both high and low karma have remarked that this is not a good idea.
It's sad that people in other forums don't give a shit about safety; their's or others. We, obviously, are not like them. If you are uncomfortable here and don't like the advise I suggest you return to those other sites.
It is very sad indeed. 22 years old is way too young to leave this world. May he rest in peace. But what was your point by sharing this? That gear can be dangerous? I think we all know this already.
My point was that nobody deserves to be put down just because he doesn’t go the ‘’standard way’’. Even if someone chooses to do a crazy cycle like the guy did, why put him down? Why not just share your opinion in a respectful manner. Then, if the person decides not to follow your advice, no need to have your ego bruised. Just wish him the best and encourage him to share his experience so others can benefit. Comments like ‘’Let hum crash and burn’’ are just useless.
As I am writing this, I’m at -16. What was I guilty of? Probably just choosing to go my way. I did not put down anybody or insult anybody. Like I said, whatever I write from now on will no be taken seriously and everybody will think I’m a troll. I don’t think I deserved that label.
That being said, the cycle that the 22 year old guy did has nothing to do my mine. The amount of gear he was taking had nothing to do with what I took. He was taking twice the amount of testosterone I was taking, 4 times the amount of Trenbolone, and on top of that, he was taking 800mg of Equipoise weekly. There is just no comparison here. A lot of members also believe he was on insulin. Now, insulin can definitely kill you.
Keep in mind also that the guy started using steroids at 18 years. I started at 32 years old after training non-stop since I'm 15 years. I've paid my dues. We also don't know if he had a predisposed disease. If he did, a testosterone only cycle could've killed him as well. Who knows. One thing that caught my mind is that he wrote in his thread that he caught ''this really horrible disease'' 6 months before doing his cycle and lost a lot of weight and gained some fat. We don't know what was his horrible disease, but it was definitely not the best idea to undergo such a hard cycle after only a few months of recovery.
Despite all of this, I wouldn’t disrespect or hurt the reputation of a member who would choose to do such a cycle. I might tell him to reconsider his decision, but I wouldn’t put him down and give him a thumbs down. Too many haters here. In the end, we are all in this together. We should help out each other.
You seem to have selective memory. Have you actally read what you’ve written? You’re response to everyone was to go kick rocks. Then told everyone they were wrong because you didn’t suffer horrible effects from your ill-conceived first cycle. Now with your years and years of aas, first hand experience, oh wait...
It seems fine for you to disagree with everyone, but you have a problem with others, with actual real world experience, disagreeing with you.
Eroids is a Safety First site, especially with new members. That means we actally give a shit about people’s health and well-being. You only seem to care about your own and finding someone to pat you on your back for your first “cycle”. Then telling other first time users to throw cation to the wind, because you were fine.
You keep taking about how other boards are differnt. That’s great. If you feel better there, then stay. I stay here because I believe in safety and health.
Also, please save your long response. Either shit or get off the pot.
Oufff. I think you missed the point completely here. I never said it's not ok to disagree with someone. On the contrary. I encourage discussion. My problem here is being called ''arrogant'' and receiving negative points on my karma for not following what the ''experienced'' members recommended.
I’ve missed nothing. I also didn’t neg you either. You’ve continually disagreed with with almost everyone in this post and been condisending (“oufff”). You can’t and won’t take advice, which solid advice has been given and you’ve been arrogant about your great first cycle. People tend to have problems with that. The fact that you fail to understand that, is a problem.
It’s interesting that there are hundreds and hundreds of members here (new and old) that get along fine. They sometimes have disagreements, but are able to work things out. Then there are a few like you that can’t seem to get it.
I have a feeling we’re all getting nowhere here so, I repeat what I said. Either go to where you’re comfortable or learn to adapt here. Good luck.
RustyhookerI remember him on here. He had it all but went to excess. When the news hit, everyone on here chose to direct this site towards a safer approach. Folks still dont listen like we hope but the info posting still moves on.
That hit home ...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/eroids.com/website-feedback/delete-account
So I can only assume you are trolling this thread to get your account deleted.
His username is arrogant enough...
Not at all. Everything I shared is real. My cycle was real. My gains were real.
However, now that I'm at -16 because of people being butt hurt cause I chose to go my way, I'm aware that my credibility is completely lost. Whatever I post from now on will not be taken seriously. I might as well delete my account.
Like I said. I posted the exact same thing an several forums and this forum is the only place where I've received so much negativity. That is sad because this site is very good to find good sources for gear. However, the forum is flawed.
Then why are you still here? Maybe you know deep down that we are right and those other forums are not? If i think a forum is not right, i just leave. I dont stay beating the same dead horse over and over and over again
I’m sure it’s not you or the nonsense you’ve posted. It’s everyone else on eroids. Good call!
I don’t know what is more shit. Your cycle or your post cycle update. Grow up, Act 30+ yrs old, throw away any gear you have left, and never come back here to “educate” us. You need to crawl before you run and you’re still being held by mom.
FYI,
I've posted the same content on different forums. On all the forums, pretty much all the messages were constructive except on this forum. Here, the majority of the messages was just negativity. By negativity, I don't mean disagreeing with what I was doing, but sarcasm, insults, and demeaning.
Why is that? Maybe it has to do with the pointing system? It seems like whenever you choose not follow the advice of someone over 1000 points, people seem to get butt hurt. Let me give you a scoop: Real ''professionals'' dont't hang out on these forum. Do you think top trainers or bodybuilders would waste their time on forums? At the end of the day, all those members with over 1000 points are still amateur. Doesn't mean they can't give very good advices. However, they are far from knowing it all.
I chose to use Trenbolone on a first cycle. Is that the best thing to do? Maybe not, but I made the decision to do it anyways and shared my experience. People could disagree and recommend sticking to 1 compound, but why so much hate? Why all this negativity? Good or bad, everybody can learn from someone else's ''real life experience''. What is sad is that many people who criticized me for taking Trenbolone on a first cycle probably never even tried Tren before...
I go on forums to share my experience to receive feedbacks and advices. Yes. However, it doesn't mean I will follow all the advices given, even if the advice is given by someone with over 3000 points.
My advice to all the beginners is to read and welcome all the advices, but to make your own decision and trust your instinct. Remember also that ''real life experience'' will always be the best knowledge you can get.
Talk about a load of horse shit,.........
RustyhookerThe door is that way
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Wow... You are now at 3524 points. That's awesome!
3526
I’ve been off cycle for about 4 weeks now.
Time for a little recap:
My cycle lasted 12 weeks. I’ve gained 20 lbs, not much fat, some water retention, good amount of muscle mass and a lot of strength. Here are the compounds I took:
-D-Bol
-30 mg ED
-Initially, I was supposed to take it for 4 weeks, but had to stop after 3 weeks because of gyno issues.
-Testosterone Cypionate:
-Week 1 - 12: 250 mg x 2 per week.
-Trenbolone Enanthate
-Week 8 - 9: 100 mg EW
-Week 10 - 12: 100 mg x 2 per week.
D-bol: Although it is often recommended for beginners, I learned the hard way that you still need to be very careful with that compound. I was planning to take it for 4 weeks to kick start my cycle but had to stop after 3 weeks because my gyno got out of control like I wrote. Fortunately, as soon I stopped taking it, my nipple sensitivity went away. That’s why I know for a fact that D-bol is what caused my gyno, not the testosterone. I took 1 mg of Anastrazole ED to fight the gyno. Some members on the forum told me I’d feel like dogshit but I’m glad I still did it because my nipple sensitivity went away a few days later and I still felt good afterwards. I will never do D-bol again though. On top of having a high aromatization, it didn’t give me the strength gains I was expecting… Trenbolone did though! More on that later…
Testosterone Cypionate: This time, I know I got the real deal. When I got tested before jumping on gear, my level was at 17 nmol/L. Then, I did a cycle with some testosterone from Mexico (Omega) and got tested towards the end of my cycle. My test level was at 21.5 nmol/L which is still low considering I was taking 500mg of test weekly. During this cycle though, my level was at 51 nmol/L. It started to kick in after about 4 weeks. My libido went up and so did my strength.
Trenbolone Enanthate: Ah the infamous Tren! Whenever I said I would jump on Tren, I’ve been called all kinds of name. What’s funny is that I suspect that most of the people who criticized me have never even tried Tren and are just regurgitating whatever they read on internet. It seems like if you decide not to follow the general guidelines, in this case doing a testosterone only cycle since I was a beginner, you get crucified. I don’t believe in following the same path as everybody. I believe in doing some research, listening to others, but in the end, taking my own decision. I like to think for myself. That’s what I did. I have been told I would have some crazy mood swings, insomnia, huge sweats, and Tren cough. I never experienced those crazy mood swings. I did notice an increase in aggressivity, but it was controllable and actually good in the gym. If you are not a jerk when off gear, I don’t believe you suddenly become a complete jerk when on gear. Same thing goes for alcohol. I did have some trouble falling asleep on a few occasions but nothing serious. I did sweat more but nothing crazy. I did not have any Tren cough. I’ve had some weird sudden very kinky sexual desires at times. Unfortunately, I must say that the quality of my erections went down. On the positive side, my strength dramatically increased without much water retention. I hit several new PRs. I felt like superman. Overall, my experience with Tren was positive. I was looking for good strength gains without too much water retention and I got it. Bottom line is, everybody reacts differently to drugs. The only way to know for sure how you will react is to try it. I do agree that generally speaking, it is best to wait until you have a few cycles in before jumping on Tren, but it is not set in stone. There are many factors to take into account. In my case, I’m not planning to do many cycles, I didn’t want to take baby steps, and I had good quality Trenbolone available.
My blood pressure is till below 220/80. The cycle did have a negative impact on my cholesterol though, but nothing alarming. My LDL-CHOLESTEROL is at 4.3 mmol/L and my HDL-CHOLESTEROL is at 0.6 mmol/L. The good news is that my Triglycerides are at 0.9 mmol/L, which is still low. What surprised me is that my red blood cells and my hemoglobin haven’t changed much. They are still in the normal range. I was expecting that steroids would increase them but it didn’t. That’s probably why my blood pressure hasn’t changed much…
Unfortunately, although all the sensitivity was gone, I still had a lump the size of a raisin on my right nipple at the end of my cycle that I got from the D-Bol. I did 2.5 mg ED of Letrozole for a little more than 2 weeks. Some might say this was way too much Letrozole, but I did get rid of my lump. So yes, gyno is reversible. I obviously got tired because my estrogen level probably got very low, but it wasn’t that bad. Now, I just need to watch for a estrogen rebound effect, since my body will want to increase the production of estrogen to raise my level back up. I will get another blood work to monitor my estrogen levels. My testicules haven’t lost much size though so I don’t think I will need much more for my PCT.
In conclusion, despite my gyno issues, I am still happy with this cycle. I’ve learned a lot through personal experience. This is worth much more than hours reading on Internet about steroids. Hopefully, some of you will benefit from my real life experience
Ah, .......no, it is time for you to leave, you are "NOT" EROIDS material, the sooner the MODS delete your account the better. Your decision making and attitude are flawed and not needed here.
Please note I said delete, not ban,.......... there is a difference.
basskiller89Brother it reminds me of Rich's magical cycle that didn't work for anyone lol
30+lbs of muscle in 3 months with a money back guarantee haha
Jokes aside be careful with the dbol and listen to what the guys are telling you, we are trying to keep you safe, don't forget the HCG
Lol. Rich was a good example of a guy thinking for himself though!
Always good to listen to others but at the end, you should still make your own decision.
Many people warned me against Trenbolone and none against D-Bol. Yet, D-bol is what messed me up. I've changed my dosage of AI because members on the forum told me I would get an estrogen crash. That's what I did. Next thing you know, I got gyno. Like I said, good to listen to others, but also trust your instinct.
basskiller89I grew up watching him lol
That's why I'm careful with my letro dosage, have to carefully use a razor to cut the pill into quarters bc half a pill does crash my estrogen
Rich was a good example of a man with years of experience trying new things, not jumping into a first cycle with theee compounds.
We warned you against both Tren and D-Bol, and advised you to run a simple test only cycle to wet your beak, so fuck right off with your misinformation.
I don't get why people like you get mad when I choose not to follow your advice.
What misinformation? I spoke the truth. I spoke from real life experience, not from stuff I read on internet or from what I heard other people say.
Do you want a cookie for how special and unique you are? This isn’t a pro muscle forum, we do not advise being irresponsible with cycling here. Plenty of forums out there for you to get a pat on the back for being so brave on your first cycle.
If you think gyno is reversible... please go pitch your solution to the medical world and educate them, because last I checked once you have gyno it is only reversible through surgery.
You are the perfect example of regurgitating the info you read on internet. I just wrote that I had a lump on my right nipple and it went away. Yet, you still argue that gyno is not reversible. I speak from personal experience. You speak from what you read.
Whatever the medical world say isn't gospel truth. For example, not too long ago they said egg yolks would increase bad cholesterol. Guess what? I have been eating at least 6 eggs yolks daily for the past few years and never had any issue with my cholesterol before taking gear.
Nowadays with Internet, there is just too much reading and not enough personal experience.
I have a mild form of gyno since my early teens, no amount of AI has gotten rid of it numbnuts. If you catch the onset of gyno early, as you did, you can minimize the growth of tissue. Once you have gyno, the only option is surgery. But what do I know, I just read things on the internet.
And? Do you think tomorrow doctors are gonna come out and say that smoking actually isn’t bad for you? There’s decades of research behind a lot of things related to what we do. Yes, certain things are tweaked and adjusted as science discovers more, but you pulling a straw man argument saying “it didn’t happen to me!” Is typical. You’ve run one cycle, so clearly you’re more knowledgeable than the decades of experience doctors I’ve spoken with about gyno have. So tell me oh wise one, what should I do to get rid of my gyno? How long, how much?
and Yet here you are posting on a forum, adding to the “too much reading” you’re complaining about.
Just casually reading through this... Have you tried ralox? I've read a bunch of very positive reviews on it. Supposedly it can reverse gyno, even the teenage one. Which is another pointer to the fact that serms are also reverse agonists on ER.
I did not say gyno can be reversed all the time. I said I did reverse gyno in my case. I did not ''minimize'' the growth of tissue like you said. It disappeared. So yes, gyno can be reversed. That is a fact.
Very very irresponsible first cycle. Im pretty sure you could have gotten the same results by upping the test to 750mg a week, but saving you the other 2 compounds and without battling with gyno and all that crap.
Very irresponsible because everybody said so or because you have experienced Trenbolone enanthate and know for yourself the side effects?
I really doubt you can compare adding 250mg of testosterone a week to adding 200mg of Trenbolone a week. It's like comparing apples to oranges in my opinion.
I have experienced a SHIT LOAD OF TRENBOLONE ENANTHATE but what do i know we're learning everything from you;)
I haven’t experienced tren but i have experienced several compounds on a first cycle and i know its a waste of health and money.
It’s your first cycle, your androgen receptors are brand new. Of course 250mg more of test cannot be compared to tren, but the gains you could make on a first cycle with that extra test yes can be compared to tren. And without those absurd amounts of letrozole and adex.
So you’ve blown the most powerful steroid on your first cycle. What are you gonna do on your next plateau? And 5 years in the future?