I realize this is an old thread; however, regardless of how old it is, its still very a relevant topic. I have been on TRT for about 14 years... My dose has always fluctuated between 160-200mg/week. I have been investigating the best way of cessation and to convert back to endogenous, natural production; however, there is nearly a complete absence of research on the topic. Its quite obvious that medical research is financed by for-profit-lifesciences institutions and thereby easy to extrapolate that there is no profit to be made from cessation therapies and/or protocols. I will likely be trying to conceive within the next 12-18 months and am pretty certain I will need to dig much deeper in an effort to uncover the truth underlying this process. I am aware that some have been successful in achieving the transition from TRT to Natty; however, most of what you see is anecdotal and carried out in a less-than-educated fashion.

I am confident that HCG will be a large contributor to the overall process and hopefully, those seeking to transition back have incorporated small bi-weekly doses of HCG to keep the plumbing greased. I certainly would suggest that anyone under the age of 45 should incorporate HCG into their TRT protocol, especially if they are unsure that one day they may marry and elect to build a family. HCG is similar in molecular structure to luteinizing hormone and mimics its action; this way the HCG can maintain natural stimulation of testosterone and semen production - best to not let the pipes run dry for too long. There are a several naturally occurring constituents in herbs, plants, fruits and whole foods that have a high-potential for aiding the transition back to endogenous; however, my research is not conclusive enough to display them for public consumption until further proof-points are gathered.

Finally, I will update this section when I embark upon this path in hopes it can help others that may want to give it a whirl.

Cheers,

Clever_Guy

Been on trt for 10 years. Wife and I are trying to get pregnant again (1st one happened on trt) so I was originally prescribed 50mg clomid eod and .4mg test e10d. After a month my bloods weren’t changing on lh and fsh. Was feeling pretty miserable. Groggy, brain fog, lack of motivation to do anything really

I then added 2000 iu Hcg 3 times a week and just dropped the test all together. Well, after about 3 months, my lh and fsh came back to normal range, test is still low, 398 and 8.7 free test but the brain fog is gone and I feel more normal then I did.

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I know this is an old thread, but one thing I keep running into is people claiming they are TRT and running 250+mgs a week. I know a guy that claimed 500 mgs was TRT. I also keep meeting younger guys in the gym that all magically happen to have low test and needed TRT at age 27 etc. People need to research this topic more before starting down this road. I had a buddy on legitimate TRT and his doctor had him on 150mgs every 10 days... without bloods, you are just guessing. Even then, if you don't have bloods then at least start at a realistic dose. If you want to run a cycle, then own it. Quit calling it TRT.

This is an old thread but it has pertinence. I went on self prescribed TRT roughly 7 years ago (I was in my late 30's) & did the typical blast & cruise type of thing for about 4-5 years, completing 4 full cycles of AAS in that time period. I had many improvements to my quality of life & truly felt this was a lifelong endeavor for me. I had been low range T since my mid 20's (I had bloods done with my PCP at the time) & although my levels were high enough to keep me from TRT, they were at the very bottom of the 'acceptable' range. As I got older, my symptoms worsened, so I chose to try TRT. It was fantastic. It corrected many of the issues I had been experiencing most of my adult life. As time went on I simply felt that maybe I could come off TRT & augment endogenous T with diet and lifestyle despite being in my early 40's at the time. So I tapered a bit & then simply stopped. I have run a poorly planned PCT in the past & am familiar with sudden low T symptoms & how it effects all parts of the being. To my grateful surprise, I had only positive results. I didn't gain any fat, lost no perceivable muscle mass, had no emotional or motivational issues & my libido stayed level, even improving after a period of time.
This is all anecdotal, of course & I was not in a postion to have my blood monitored before, during or after this. I have considered posting about this in the past, but have been concerned that the community may see this as an endorsement to recklessness, & don't wish others to mistake my personal experience for advice. It is worth noting, I also stopped eating meat at roughly the same time. This experience has led me to question all I thought I knew about these things. This particular site (Eroids) is a rare gem in a landscape littered poor quality information, dishonesty & greed. I am truly grateful we can share our hard earned experience with each other while we each work to improve ourselves & our environments.

What do you feel is a good dose to cruise on or TRT ?

I was on TRT for about 8 months and ran out of money...hit some hard times. I saw it coming and started tapering the dose down from 200mg/week Test-C until I ran out.

I started TRT With test @223 naturally low.
On TRT it was 2450
Now a year after being off and totally clean I tested @663.... it actually boosted my natural production
I was on HCG the whole time as well and this probably helped me gain more natural production also

In my twenties, after taking quite big amounts of androtardyl and parabolan for a few years quasi without interruption, I needed to slow down to concentrate on professional purposes. The Pct was long and hard, I think my diet was too low in calorie and did not contain enough saturated fats at this time.i wanted to stay lean. My axe has stayed weak for a long time. Recently,at 49 years, I had blood test and my testosterone level was a little bit higher of the middle in the normal range

What is pct ?

Many years ago I got locked up in the FEDS for a few years. I had been juicing really hard for many years before & didn't do PCT because I was roped off during cycle. I would say my system fully recoved after about being forced clean in the 8 to 10 month period without doing the PCT. Basicly, you feel better sexually each month but loose size & hardness.

When transitioning back to completely natural again after cycling/TRT for quite some time doesn't it feel like you are very very weak with no energy at all? Pretty much like you can't even train let alone maintain things?

I was able to recover from 4 years of TRT (also ran 2 sustanon 250 cycles in between the years) by using HCG and clomid.

Weeks 1-4: HCG @ 1500ui every 3 days. Clomid @ 100mg/day (morning/evening)
Weeks 4-6: HCG @ 1000ui every 3 days. Clomid @ 50mg/day (morning)
Weeks 6-8: HCG @ 500 ui every 3 days. Dropped clomid.
Weeks 8-9: HCG @ 250 ui every 3 days.
Weeks 9-10: HCG @ 150 ui every other day
Week 11: Stopped HCG.

Have been off everything for about 8 weeks and doing really good. Also nutrition plays a very strong role in recovery as I adapted a whole-foods plant based diet which really helped with estrogen control amongst many other things. I hope this helps.

I have, I used HCG and clomid.

Taper the test dose before you start until you are at 100 Mg week

Start at 750 IU HCG 3x week and 100 Mg Clomid daily for two weeks.

Then drop to 750 IU HCG 3x week and 50 Mg Clomid for two weeks.

Then drop the HCG and continue the clomid for two more weeks.

That usually works, but there are other options too

I had anxiety and depression for years. Finally pushed for a hormone test and it came back at 1.7, normal range being 9-29. I started self prescribing due to being told it would be at least 6 month to see a specialist. Finally seen the specialist who agreed I needed to be on a prescription of testosterone but once my levels dropped low enough. It has now went back to my doctors. I havnt taken test since Xmas eve and all my anxiety, lethargy etc has came back with a vengeance. Now my doctors are saying testosterone will have no effect on anxiety and mood. I'm sick to fucking death of this. The specialist has been on holiday for a month, she's back on Monday so hopefully she will finally start the proper treatment. I just can't believe the absolute idiocy of NHS gp's. I told him he didn't have a clue because he had never been taught anything about it, he couldn't disagree but still won't listen to the affect being on test had to me, it changed my life dramatically for the better the short time I was on it. I fucking hate my doctors right now...... Just a vent, sorry

Guys,

I had been on TRT for 2 years prior to last year. Last year I began cycling again (I hadn't run a cycle since 29 years old or 30). I'm 41 now. Probably a stupid question, but I would love some input here.Question is, should I ever plan on getting off of TRT? I have no sex drive when I do and no energy or happiness without the TRT. I am currently off cycle, but still running 200 mg test prop every week.

There are several options to getting back to a normal HPTA.
HCG,SERMS,AROMASIN etc...
You just have to experiment and find what works for you.

Hey guys, I'm needing some advice on running a cycle while on TRT. I've been on 200 cyp every week for about 3 years. I've been working out regurly for about 4 years. I'm planning on running a cycle for bulk and I'm needing advise on PCT. Do I just continue with the cyp 200 or do I need a PCT plan? Thanks

I came off the gear at age 42 after 7 years with no PCT. It took 9 months for my natural test to come back on. Once my natural test came back my strength increased a lot and I felt a lot better. During the first 9 months my muscles were very soft, I had lost 30% of my strength I felt tired, lazy and weak Libido was dead until 9 months.