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im starting my first cycle of trt (cyp) probly 200 to 250 a week but i may bump up for slightly better gains for short term and maybe even add some VAR. im also not sure if i will cycle or just stay on for good. im curious with this aproach do i need to worry about estrogen conversion? do i need an a.i.? any imput would be appreciated.
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T luva thx for the great advice bud, and everyone else. u guys convince me to do some more research on good blood levels before i just start pinning. even if my doc doesnt want to get involved im going to talk to him and see if he just wants to moniter my blood and i can pin myself. whatever the the case i will educate myself better. so even if doc does 100% for me. i will know more of whats going on and be able to give my educated input. i welcome any more input u have to offer.
It is a lot of bloodwork in the beginning, but you can scale that back to every 6 months or yearly once you get the numbers dialed in. For example, when I first started TRT 6 years ago, I've found 3 doctors and none seem to give a shit, so I did loads of reading, found eroids and a few other sites, to determine what I needed to do. For me, 200mgs per week had my levels @1290ng/dl and estro right around 60... numbers too high for me, so I adjusted dose to 100mgs per week (Cypionate), 6 weeks later, T levels were 690ng/dl and estro was also cut in half at 25-30 with NO AI usage.... BOOM, that's what I was looking for!!!! Just keep a journal of everything you do, "EVERYTHING".... even if you switch multivitamins, jot it down... or add a supplement or different food, keeping a log will make it easier to pin-point any issues that may arise!!!! Good luck Roach, welcome to our world...
hey jmes thx man LOL no i dont feel like no gang up. jeez i may have low test but im not a women.just shocked about all blood work involved. thinking about going to my doc he a buddy of mine anyway played hs football together. just figure it was easier to run some test on my own.as far as last cycle cause low test. my last cycle was about 8 to 10 years ago. i had to kids since. mmmmm come to think i think its my 2 year old and my 7 month old dragging the life out of me. i wonder if that will show up in my bloodwork
lol, it just might show up haha. In theroy it is easier to run it without the bloods but its always better to know whats going on inside as sometimes you can feel great on the outside but have no knowledge on the internal organs, other hormones etc. At least your seeing a doc, thats the right way my man - not all of them are clueless on trt... you'll find a few that know what they are on about.
oh yeah thanks omnom that is not out of the question will look into it thx
jasm87 u make great points. im wrong that bloodwork is useless. with that said i guess im saying i dont want the blood test cuz no matter what im doing the test. and i did say in (genral) every adult male is low in test. that means of course there are exceptions. actually i wouldt be surprised if im not even that low,but im sure its lower than when i was younger.as for past experiance.i never did ant pct or ai's during cycles never had a problem. i was never a hardcore roider but in my day we took what we could get our hands on and as much as we wanted there was no blood tests.im actually shocked(in a good way)that u guys r riding me about taking a simple cycle of 250mg a week of test with no bloodwork.but hey im the one who asked the question right LOL. and i appreciate the input.
Bro, we only suggest that you take a blood test to benefit you man, I apologize if you feel we are ganging up on you but really everybody that has replied to you has your best interests at heart, as fiddling with AAS can be tricky at times. If you want to take test anyway at 250mg week without bloodwork that's your decision and, if you haven't had any recovery from your previous AAS use, your test could very well be low, not just because you are forty... but your testes may have shutdown to a degree due to the hormones you were injecting. If you are low on test, any good doctor will probably give you 250mg a week anyway man, as just being forty years old or over should have their attention right away.
I wish you the best brother.
privatemedlabs.com will give you a blood test.. ask for the female hormone panel it's cheap and easy.. You can throw the values up on eroids and every one will give you their two cents.. I'm only throwing this option out because you refuse to see a doctor and it sounds like your going to start pinning yourself blindly.. At the very least try this
yes, privatemdlabs.com is the way to go. I did my "Female Hormone Testing Panel" for a male for like 60 bucks. It is anonymous if you want it to be. You are not required to show an ID if you don't want to. Take one of these on blast and on cruise to dial in your test/ai. It is worth every penny. The doctor I was seeing didn't know what the hell I was talking about. If you know your Doc and he is willing to work with you great, if not, educate your self with these smart people on these boards and DIY. It is definitely possible. Your health really is ultimately in your own hands and you have a right to question the treatment a doctor gives you. Frankly, I don't have a lot of faith in Doctors. Most of them are arrogant self righteous pretentious pricks.
most of my info on this is from ny buddy who is going to big shot trt doc in manhatten.hes got him on 400 cyp every two weeks.but he only sees doc every month or something so cant ask about ai's till he sees him again.
hench your right in all your points but in my opiniion bloodwork at the doctor is a bit useless and expensive i sy useless cuz the test range is so large and unless i go to a specialist who does trt i prbly know more and i know people here do.even if my test levels come back good im still taking it (yeah im hard headed) but i know im slowing down a bit probly normal ageing process but i dont like it.so how bout this we dont call it trt lets just say im intrested in doing a low dose test cycle for longer period than norm.is it good idea and do i need to wory about aromatase i at any time with that low dose,during or after cycle
You can't ask if an ai is needed and later say that bloodwork is 'useless' lol. See the dilemma bro?
If you think you have low symptoms of test, the cause of your problems may infact be high e2, which can be resolved with an AI if a doctor is willing... but you wouldn't know that unless you see the blood work. Hell, it could be your life style or diet that is effecting you physically instead of low test, it may even be low gh levels. By all means, if you know your body well, we can't stop you taking test without bloodwork as its your responsibility... but we can at least offer you some friendly advice on how to do things the healthy way and right way instead of what could been seen as a reckless way - see a doctor, they are medically trained to help and you will come across one that knows about trt. You can't put a price on health.
And no, not every adult male is low in test, it can reduce overtime but not everybody is low.
Your 40 and you have used test before... how much aromatisation do you suffer from, from experiance? This in itself should answer the self asked question as to whether you need an AI.
Have recovered well after your cycles?
What are your symptoms for feeling like you have low test?
I don't want to sound like a douch, but come on bro.
LOL what i do know is u lose test as u get older and pretty much every adult male ( in genral) is low in test. yes i self diagnose. u can call it whatever u want trt or not basically im going to take test to performance enhancemant in my everday life. run usually 40 50 miles a week some weights and bag work 3 to 4 days a week. i am 40 and in the last two years i feel as though i aged 10 years.so weather i am low in test or not im taking it.i call it trt cuz my age and cuz im not looking to bodybuld just in shape, more energy, little muscle wont hurt eighther.im 5 foot 10 160 to 165 not surre what bf is in my earlier years i have taken sust,eq,d-bol,deca,enanthate,prop,(not all at once) goals: look and feel a little better get better workouts in. runs especially.(not get old) i know there is no tone in text so i hope i dont sound like a dick or too cocky just expressing my thoughts i appreciate u guys comments and help thx
Ok. So why not go to the Dr. and have blood work ran to see where you levels are?
At 40 I am sure you are experiencing some low T issues. Having blood work done will allow you to see where you levels are and make adjustments accordingly.
I’m not sure if you’re interested in TRT or running a test cycle. They are two different scenarios regardless of your age.
TRT is not a cycle. Were you diagnosed or have you self diagnosed?
" im also not sure if i will cycle or just stay on for good"
You obviously know nothing about TRT....let's us help you before you mess yourself up.
Provide more info.
If you can fill in the ? first roach1972, i can then start to offer you tailored advice.
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